The new su-35 at LAAD [look the size of those MFD]

look at the bright side, in the future flight sim, those 3d pits would be easier to build, just 2 big MFDs haha. Probably save some fps too.

arnt cockpits made of glass??

I was wondering why the Russians never shifted to HUD system with flight path marker. There is also a Su-34 video available with some HUD images and they look exactly like this. HUD with FPM and real-word-scale pitch ladders seems clearly easier to use in a lot of flight conditions. Everybody is using it – US, UK, France, etc, Russia – no.

Any opinions?

From flight simming only - I prefer the Russain system - but my guess is you prefer what you're used to & if you're used to Western systems they seem more natural to you..

i dont even know how to read the mig and Su huds in lockon....

all i know is that their hud is like cheating cuz it draws a circle around a bandit WVR or something like that

I was wondering why the Russians never shifted to HUD system with flight path marker. There is also a Su-34 video available with some HUD images and they look exactly like this. HUD with FPM and real-word-scale pitch ladders seems clearly easier to use in a lot of flight conditions. Everybody is using it – US, UK, France, etc, Russia – no.

 

Any opinions?

The hud is an old Russian tradition

(watched The Barber of Siberia last night :D)

arnt cockpits made of glass??

Hey thats wat I thought :huh:

When using MFDs, it is called a glass cockpit, what i have heard.

I wonder what they did with the canards? Wherent they on the prototype?

/Chris

The Article points out some realy interesting features:

Fly by light, optical fiber controls, NATO Link 16, 8 target VIA TWS, no canards and no extended reinforced fuselage to support them thus reducing weight and maintenance.

I'd like to comment that despite this I wouldnt go for the Su-35, staying the hell away from it. Its a huge deviation to brazils expertise on french technology (or western technology alltogether for that matter) and the planes figures rarely meet up the optimistic numbers the russians claim. 4000h engine life and 6000 hours (or 30 years) of airframe life is still kinda too fantastic leap for a russian plane but still short of Portuguese F-16's for example wich are ready to go up to 8000 hours. The indians have been having a hard time maintaining their MKI's (including airfram life redution due to thrust vectoring) and for a country that hates maintenance complications like Brazil does, that should have ringed an alarm bell by now.

The article mentions options for weaponry that still does not exist, nor they will for a number of years yet to come, such as the so called BVR Ramjet missile and the R-37 from the Mig-31.

If I were for brazil I would get Either Rafales or Eurofighters. They are avaiable with reliable tangible weapons out of the box.

think its more politiks when a nation is purchasing their deffece. I dont have any prove for my opinion But I would easy say that Su-35 is easyer to mantain then EF-2000 or Rafael, U could be right that its harder to mantain the new Thrust vectoring, and thats It the rest is not so mutch different in design perspektive.

i dont even know how to read the mig and Su huds in lockon....

all i know is that their hud is like cheating cuz it draws a circle around a bandit WVR or something like that

??? No you don't do you ?

You get the circle round any locked target - BVR & WVR - but only if the target's locked, not magically on their own & then when locked the blue birds do their own version of that anyway ...

arnt cockpits made of glass??

No, canopies are made of glass.

No, canopies are made of glass.

Arn't they made from plastics? Don;t know the english word for it, but here in holland we call it plexiglas

Arn't they made from plastics? Don;t know the english word for it, but here in holland we call it plexiglas

Thats what they are made of, a multilayer laminate with plastic and glass layers.

Arn't they made from plastics? Don;t know the english word for it, but here in holland we call it plexiglas

Yes, and it's lot less dangerous to the pilot. It's used on almost every type of plane.

Anyway me likes very much! Especially the high-resolution ground imagery. And I still feel the Su-27 airframe without canards is of eternal beauty.

The Article points out some realy interesting features:

Fly by light, optical fiber controls, NATO Link 16, 8 target VIA TWS, no canards and no extended reinforced fuselage to support them thus reducing weight and maintenance.

 

I'd like to comment that despite this I wouldnt go for the Su-35, staying the hell away from it. Its a huge deviation to brazils expertise on french technology (or western technology alltogether for that matter) and the planes figures rarely meet up the optimistic numbers the russians claim. 4000h engine life and 6000 hours (or 30 years) of airframe life is still kinda too fantastic leap for a russian plane but still short of Portuguese F-16's for example wich are ready to go up to 8000 hours. The indians have been having a hard time maintaining their MKI's (including airfram life redution due to thrust vectoring) and for a country that hates maintenance complications like Brazil does, that should have ringed an alarm bell by now.

The article mentions options for weaponry that still does not exist, nor they will for a number of years yet to come, such as the so called BVR Ramjet missile and the R-37 from the Mig-31.

 

If I were for brazil I would get Either Rafales or Eurofighters. They are avaiable with reliable tangible weapons out of the box.

Do you understand what we are talking about? It is a Su-35 with AESA and with French avionics. (Even the eurofighter have to fear this stuff)

I just don’t understand why they need this kind of air superiority jet in that peaceful region.

About the 8000 hours (wait and see before you got 8000 hours)

How many of these 1 engine jets will crash in the first 5 year? (I am talking about your F-16)

There is a reason why all new jets are twin engines (except that eeeuh FAG-35 indeed)

I think we in Belgium have lost already +30 of the F-16's (how about that?)

how many F-16 in belgium are stored?:cry:

Ive seen a picture of a depot....allot...

Also here in holland, we are selling them to chilli and Jordan

how many F-16 in belgium are stored?:cry:

Ive seen a picture of a depot....allot...

 

Also here in holland, we are selling them to chilli and Jordan

I think we will keep the remaining 90 and have 30 for sale (maybe already sold, I don’t know)

Anyway the engine stall problems were something from the past and after the last engine upgrade it is going a lot better…;)

about time that su have come up with a nice technology features. yes they sure have a big MFD and alot more buttons around it.

nice, sad enough i couldnt understand their langauge on website. just the images of it.

:)

Go to babelfish, and then translate from portugese to english

analog cockpit is much better than glass one

The Article points out some realy interesting features:

Fly by light, optical fiber controls, NATO Link 16, 8 target VIA TWS, no canards and no extended reinforced fuselage to support them thus reducing weight and maintenance.

 

I'd like to comment that despite this I wouldnt go for the Su-35, staying the hell away from it. Its a huge deviation to brazils expertise on french technology (or western technology alltogether for that matter) and the planes figures rarely meet up the optimistic numbers the russians claim. 4000h engine life and 6000 hours (or 30 years) of airframe life is still kinda too fantastic leap for a russian plane but still short of Portuguese F-16's for example wich are ready to go up to 8000 hours. The indians have been having a hard time maintaining their MKI's (including airfram life redution due to thrust vectoring) and for a country that hates maintenance complications like Brazil does, that should have ringed an alarm bell by now.

The article mentions options for weaponry that still does not exist, nor they will for a number of years yet to come, such as the so called BVR Ramjet missile and the R-37 from the Mig-31.

 

If I were for brazil I would get Either Rafales or Eurofighters. They are avaiable with reliable tangible weapons out of the box.

Brazil is choosing AGAIN its next figther...and the SU have low chances because of its maintence costs and others facts much more deeper than we know ( read others politics situations :smilewink: )

We have very good relation with France and an RAFALE choice can be used to both forces ( Air Force and Naval Force )

This choice is very well suported by some persons at the congress

AND the Mr Mauricio Botelho ( ie EMBRAER OLD PRESIDENT ) is being considered to be the new Ciency and develpment minister and guess what!! he love the France :smilewink:

But in Brazil the Air Force Generals dont lile France option ( RAFALE ) so we really dont know where this will end