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Im counting on its good dive speed, something that is often overlooked. If it can get close to the Spit's IX turn radius, it's going to be deadly in the right hands. I think it should already be superior to the Spit IX in its roll rate. In any case Im not worried. :)

 

Perhaps it will be better than the IX we have now, but when we get the clipped wing IX the only aircraft that could out roll her was the 190 IIRC :D

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Not on the plate was meant to mean not released, and when I said further along with the hawk I meant there are bugs reported over a year if not longer that haven't been fixed ie' ghost bombs staying on pylons and I know this because I was one of the first to report this bug. TC

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Hey guys,

 

Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you - I posted the pic just before I went to bed last night and it's been a very long day at my day job so I haven't had chance to check the forums... I'll do my best to answer some of the questions posted :)

 

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Looking great!

 

Cheers Krupi - Have I ever mentioned that I'm enjoying this project? :music_whistling:

 

What's up with the textures on the IX? it looks really weird

 

Hi Wissam, yes, Krupi was correct. Currently, there is no template for the Mk IX so we're having to rely on the normal map for the panel line and rivet detail. As there's not a lot of light in the pic posted, the map isn't really popping so it looks a little flat.

 

I know it's all WIP but looking at that last pics it seem that the textures works in different way about the light's rendering (difference with the close ED's Spitfighter is remarkable).

 

I noted the same thing (light's rendering) in the last Kittyhawk screen.

 

Anyway thanks for the pics!

 

 

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Phant

 

Hi Phant, yes, you're also correct. Currently, both the P-40 and the Spitfire XIV materials are set up the same way as Eagle Dynamics P-51. ED appear to have changed the way they do materials on the Spit IX and I am looking at it. That is something that might make it's way onto our models, once I understand what and how ED have done it. The current materials are up to the standard of the 109,190 and P-51 and so will do for now whilst I experiment :)

 

While the P-40 and the Spit all look great, I'd would just like my Hawk to be further along than it is now, there's more time spent talking about a/c not yet on the plate then the one that is, the Hawk. TC

 

As Pman and Ells have said, progress on the warbirds does not hinder the work being done on the Hawk. Currently, I am not contracted to work on any of the modern jets - My interest lies with the WWII prop aircraft so, rest assured, me working on them is not slowing down the Hawk :)

 

The spit IX looks "wierd" because the skin looks to represent hand painted invasion stripes, the kind that was hurredly put on just before D-day- as far as I can tell.

 

As for the XIV- nice- bring it on!

 

Thanks zionid, Yes, I tried to replicated the hand painted invasion stripes look on the Spit IX (What a nightmare it was lining that up with no template or wireframe!). For those interested, I made the invasion stripe layers available on my website here: http://virtual-horsemen.com/cmdownloads/spitfire-mk-ixc-invasion-stripes-for-skinners/

 

Hope that helps :) Happy to answer more that I can

 

Rob


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The Spit XIV with 21lbs of boost peaks at over 5300ft p/min

Wait wut?

 

According to this chart, the +18 lbs version tops out at 4700 ft/min. Seems far-fetched that an additional +5 lbs boost results in a 600 ft/min increase, no? :huh:

 

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+21lbs of boost has a recorded peak of around 5300ft per min. I've got documentation to show it, just not going to get into tit for tat until Spitfire is closer to release :)

 

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Roughly 25 to 40 mph depending on the altitude :D

 

Yeah there or there abouts :) Some reports go as high as 55mph but is usually around 40

 

Not sure if this has been answered or not. Are you doing clipped wing version and elliptical version?

 

At the moment only the clipped wing version.

 

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Not sure if this has been answered or not. Are you doing clipped wing version and elliptical version?

 

The RAF used clipped wings on all XIV early 1945 due to worries about skin wrinkling even though Supermarine engineers said that the wrinkling was not a problem!

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Hi Phant, yes, you're also correct. Currently, both the P-40 and the Spitfire XIV materials are set up the same way as Eagle Dynamics P-51. ED appear to have changed the way they do materials on the Spit IX and I am looking at it. That is something that might make it's way onto our models, once I understand what and how ED have done it. The current materials are up to the standard of the 109,190 and P-51 and so will do for now whilst I experiment :)

 

Thanks VH-Rock, maybe PBR (Physically based rendering) related?

 

 

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Phant

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Quick question: Is the XIV able to cool the engine and oil more efficient than the IX that we got?

 

I hope not. Or dark times are coming to Bf and Fw, according to the charts, which are showing climb rate and max air speed.

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Quick question: Is the XIV able to cool the engine and oil more efficient than the IX that we got?

 

 

 

Yes it will, both oil and coolant.

 

It had improvements in both areas

 

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I hope not. Or dark times are coming to Bf and Fw, according to the charts, which are showing climb rate and max air speed.

 

If you mean a restoration of balance then yes dark times indeed :thumbup:

 

The irony is that this aircraft actually partook in Normandy :lol: I really hope ED or one of its partners is working on a G6 or something to that effect.

 

The aircraft even with a cooler engine will require more maintenance than either the D9 or K4, which in comparison require 0 engine management.


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+21lbs of boost has a recorded peak of around 5300ft per min. I've got documentation to show it, just not going to get into tit for tat until Spitfire is closer to release :)

 

Pman

 

Sounds a 'tad' bit optimistic for a variant that brought only about 8% increase in power compared to +18 lbs to miraculusly conjure up an 13 % increased climb rate, while having its wings clapped (Loss of wing area and lift) which from earlier war docs would mean a loss of about 200 fpm climb or more.

 

So 5300ish rates of climbs for a clipped XIV are either a fantasy that is hard to align with math, OR it is based on the early Griffon 60 series prototype results, which did produce some 5000-is climb rates on the deck, but only because the proto engine's supercharger gear setup in MS gear was different (it did a lot of power on the deck but quickly fell of with altitude, so it wasn't practical) from the final serial production model, which did around 4700 on the deck but could maintain this performance higher and longer.

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...wings clapped (Loss of wing area and lift) which from earlier war docs would mean a loss of about 200 fpm climb or more.

 

 

I do not have a favorite horse in this race, but if memory serves me well:

 

Reduced wing area will give an increased rate of climb(less drag, same thrust = higher indicated speed), at expense of a reduced angle of climb.

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The info that I have does not indicate a loss in climb performance with clipped tips.

 

The variety of data that we have ranges from 5000-5300ft per min depending on weight, fuel type/grade and no doubt local atmo.

 

As the Spitfire comes closer we will refine our selection of specific dependencies but expect the climb rate to be in excess of 5000ft per min at some altitudes.

 

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I'd also comment that we don't "balance" our aircraft. Our sole objective is to make the module as close to the original as per documentation and real life experience allows.

 

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