DCS: P-47D-30 Discussion

WWII aircraft are generally 2-3 years to make. This depends on info and such. Most of the time they are done 1 at a time, with some overlap at the beginning and the end. Also, dont think ED's WWII aircraft dudes are sitting idle either.

4 years and counting. TC

yes why dont you just casually ignore the time it takes to do problematic things like finding the p-47 aerodynamic data

Since you are one of the select few who know's what they need to finish the project,I think you should let them know and maybe they can get the job finished. Not to linger on this but like you and your comment, I also have comments that express my feeling about this > 4 year and counting project. TC

It's a PFM. It'll be as complex as the F/A-18C's will be

Surely a prop airplane's FM has to be more complex than a jet's FM of the same level of fidelity? You've got things like torque, gyroscopic effect, propwash, and P-factor to deal with.

Surely a prop airplane's FM has to be more complex than a jet's FM of the same level of fidelity? You've got things like torque, gyroscopic effect, propwash, and P-factor to deal with.

Well, yes and no. It's the same PFM system when we're talking DCS.

AFAIK ED's PFM is a suite of tools and code dealing with the forces on an object. Every new plane feature they build adds to it (P-51 added prop wash handling, F-15 added supersonic airflow handling etc...).

The PFM takes inputs and generates output.

Eg, The code that governs airflow hitting the plane and its effects is likely the same for all PFM aircraft.

The airflow itself (input) might be different (ie, in level flight: straightish for jets, disturbed with added rotational elements for props) which is going to cause different output, but the fidelity is in the system dealing with the inputs and how it applies them.

Same probably applies to the code dealing with engine forces. Takes in dynamic inputs like airflow, aoa, fuel flow etc... along with static input like location, mountings, engine type, blade size, prop width etc... and generates outputs to apply to the airfame.

The underlying model will be the same (same fidelity), just a lot of params change between prop and jet engines, resulting in very different outputs.

I'd love Yo-Yo to chime in on this, but I'd surprised if I'm far off the mark.

They have stated the issues for the delays. And I doubt the P-47 has 4 years of work into it, besides efforts to obtain the data they need.

meh, she ll come.

I know she ll have a lot more attention to detail then the 777 one...

I didn't say or mean it had 4 years of work into it all I'm saying is that it has been a backer choice since at lease 09-22-2013 when I selected my 3 planes two which I have received. TC

I didn't say or mean it had 4 years of work into it all I'm saying is that it has been a backer choice since at lease 09-22-2013 when I selected my 3 planes two which I have received. TC

Yes but if you read the WW2 forums you’ll see that the original Kickstarter was 3rd party and abandoned by that 3rd party. ED has kindly taken it on (and to try and recoup their costs) but the original schedule and promises were way out of line with reality. Add to that they paused development on the p47 for awhile when they couldn’t get the proper information and only restarted awhile ago

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Yes but if you read the WW2 forums you’ll see that the original Kickstarter was 3rd party and abandoned by that 3rd party. ED has kindly taken it on (and to try and recoup their costs) butt the original schedule and promises were way out of line with reality the original schedule and promises were way out of line with reality. Add to that they paused development on the p47 for awhile when they couldn’t get the proper information and only restarted awhile ago

 

 

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Please explain "the original schedule and promises were way out of line with reality", seem to me that ED didn't think so since they never to date as far as I'm aware of mentioned any such notion that the original schedule and promises were way out of line with reality. I very well may be wrong on this but if I am please enlighten me. Look I can't speak for ED but as a paid subscriber I can comment/inquire on this topic. It was I believe a valid inquiry.

 

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All I want is 3 or 4 WIP screenshots.... I understand these things take time... I’d just like periodic updates. Strange that they’ll show WIP tanks, B-17’s and flak guns but wont show WIP screens of an actual module they’re working on.

All I want is 3 or 4 WIP screenshots.... I understand these things take time... I’d just like periodic updates. Strange that they’ll show WIP tanks, B-17’s and flak guns but wont show WIP screens of an actual module they’re working on.

They did say if there is nothing new to show then there is nothing to show. The actual model of the P-47 should be complete. We have just yet to see the model being render in the EDGE. Visually there is nothing to show about a flight model being made. So they really do have nothing to show. Also if they were to explain to us what they were doing step by step that'd only lead to criticism on how they perform they work. Lose-lose situation.

Waiting to see some news about the two last modules and some improvement / game change / new feature on the old WW2 KS project, some backers has actually not funny about "others" can get all diversion before we can see something "complete" in our hands, and what can we see on "the project" future.

Any ETA or status on the P-47?

I've taken a pretty big break from DCS, checking the site every now and then for new releases. But I haven't seen anything on the P-47, I've been waiting for it to come out for probably nearing a year before I get back into the game. I've skimmed through some of the P-47 threads but the main one is 100+ pages.

Is there any screenshots of models or news about it? Also knowing who is developing it would help.

No ETA and news yet.

Yeah come ED all I want for xmas is Jugs, or pictures of them :megalol:

I've taken a pretty big break from DCS, checking the site every now and then for new releases. But I haven't seen anything on the P-47, I've been waiting for it to come out for probably nearing a year before I get back into the game. I've skimmed through some of the P-47 threads but the main one is 100+ pages.

 

Is there any screenshots of models or news about it? Also knowing who is developing it would help.

Yeah come ED all I want for xmas is Jugs, or pictures of them :megalol:

I can upload some photos of the P-47 from 2014 for you guys.

Yeah, all is quiet on the WWII aircraft front, not just the P-47. No news on the proposed P-51 update, P-40 is on hold, no news on F4U. You haven't missed anything by being away and don't really know any less than we all do. Last I heard, they are still trying to gather wind tunnel data on the P-47 so I would imagine that it's not even close to being done. We are going on multiple years now since first hearing of the WWII aircraft supposedly being developed.

Yeah, all is quiet on the WWII aircraft front, not just the P-47. No news on the proposed P-51 update, P-40 is on hold, no news on F4U. You haven't missed anything by being away and don't really know any less than we all do. Last I heard, they are still trying to gather wind tunnel data on the P-47 so I would imagine that it's not even close to being done. We are going on multiple years now since first hearing of the WWII aircraft supposedly being developed.

Well darn, I guess I might end up grabbing the Harrier then. Unless the Hornet is somewhat close to being done, any idea on that?

Well darn, I guess I might end up grabbing the Harrier then. Unless the Hornet is somewhat close to being done, any idea on that?

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AFAIK development on WW2 aircraft is continueing while the main teams work on the Hornet. The reluctance to release anything solid on the P-47 probably means they're still gathering the necessary documentation which prove instrumental on the release of the Jug.

ED has repeatedly stated they won't start hyping planes which could very well prove impossible to realise without appropriate permissions/documentation.