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Old 07-05-2020, 03:44 PM   #31
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I see, I guess that's because radar frequency, wave length and resolution are not simulated?
Nothing like that. The detection system for radars is super simple. The hornet was first module to simulate a radar beam cone, that radar keeps sweeping front of it and it is used to detect does it find something. Then a simple range is used against target angle (IIRC few angles like front, front edge, sideways, up/below) and that as a multiplier to detection probability.

Mirage 2000 has similar for IR missiles.

So one can say "simulated" but it is more like a simulate predictions, not simulate the system.

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How about skylining? Does this affect in any way the AI spotting, either visual or radar?
Visually yes. There are methods to calculate do you have background, are you lit or in shadows, is there sky behind, are you moving etc basic things. Based to the code, it is fairly well done, but problem is the AI itself that requires complete overdo. And ED is developing new AI and so on hopefully we see AI that doesn't detect you because you flew inside their detection ring, even behind a mountain. As currently if you pop-up behind a ridge first time, they react quickly as they knew you were there.

But as each AI is given a random reaction timer, you get illusion that they spot you later on.
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Old 07-06-2020, 07:34 AM   #32
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Nothing like that. The detection system for radars is super simple. The hornet was first module to simulate a radar beam cone, that radar keeps sweeping front of it and it is used to detect does it find something. Then a simple range is used against target angle (IIRC few angles like front, front edge, sideways, up/below) and that as a multiplier to detection probability.

Mirage 2000 has similar for IR missiles.

So one can say "simulated" but it is more like a simulate predictions, not simulate the system.



Visually yes. There are methods to calculate do you have background, are you lit or in shadows, is there sky behind, are you moving etc basic things. Based to the code, it is fairly well done, but problem is the AI itself that requires complete overdo. And ED is developing new AI and so on hopefully we see AI that doesn't detect you because you flew inside their detection ring, even behind a mountain. As currently if you pop-up behind a ridge first time, they react quickly as they knew you were there.

But as each AI is given a random reaction timer, you get illusion that they spot you later on.

Thank you.
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Old 07-11-2020, 06:36 PM   #33
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And....?

What requires explanation for you from what I said?
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What is has to do? Have you been around while back when ED just came around and changed their Open Beta update schedule from one week to one month and so on, because this forum is full of whiners who go and buy a early access module well knowing it says so on store page, and then they start whining how the module doesn't work as it has features missing or something is broken.

Then these same people install Open Beta version, a version of DCS World that is under development for testing purposes, so users who opt to help ED find bugs, test to brake it and get information for ED when some things works or not. And then starts to scream around forums, reddit, Twitter and who knows even where else, that how a last weekly beta product major update broke their game or their favorite module feature or this and that.

They start to write open letters to ED by demanding how to test their development product, how to deliver a code for every week that it works etc etc. Because now they can't fly for a whole week as their favorite toy is broken!

Instead writing these letters, whining around forum how the update broke things etc etc and ED should not allow so to happen, they could have simply written couple commands and previous version number to their command line and reverse the update back to previous version that still worked....!

And then wait at least that one week to see if next version then fixes the crashing bug or so.

These people has all the powers in their hands. They didn't need to go click "update" after rushing to computer every week. They simply had all options to click "later" and keep testing product otherwise.

And they have all the power in their hands to install Stable Version, not development version. And even there to opt "later".

And no one is required by any means to buy a Early Access module to fly it while still in development! Everyone is free to buy it, and sit on their hands while not installing it but waiting it to come out from early access as complete ready!

Polychop got flak because their flight modeling, not because early access. The early access actually went well, the flight modeling is just still what it is, even after leaving early access period!

Now polychop skip the early access model, and people are expecting that they receive a finished and completed product that doesn't have a problems like Gazelle....
Gazelle could come put now, today as new product. People would need some time to find that its flight modeling is not as something that expected and needs to rework.
would people stop whining because it is not early access model? No....
But we would have a lot less whiners about it because they would not have been doing so for years in development product!

Polychop developing now Kiowa is under a stress that people are expecting ready product. They are expecting marvelous flight modeling, and that after Kiowa the new way to develop is used to rewrite gazelle flight modeling to fix it.

But what happens IF THE KIOWA has same disappointment WITHOUT early access? Hell gets loose.
What if Polychop gets Kiowa out without major problems and just needs to do some normal small bug reporting and polish things out? People who didn't get access to unfinished product with the extra time will be praising the quality, because Developer denied their access to unfinished product as those whiners didn't have self-restrictions to wait in other scenarios with available products under development!

How does it differentiate from early access model where flight modeling is superb, bugs gets fixed in good time and development goes forward nicely and feature completed products gets to release version?

Only two things are separating it.

1) developers skills to develop a software product.

2) no whiners participating to early access and under development products.

The early access doesn't affect to code, or skills to write code, it affects to funding and assistance for more hands to find problems with proper bug reports.
but it as well affects to access to product that is not finished by people who shouldn't participate to early access phase at all but without self-restraint, those people would still get it to their hands and whine around when their expected features ain't in or when it gets broken for a while....

Developers at least should be happy this is not open source, because they would hear a lot of comments about their profession as welll very likely.....

Does it just seem to me or are you the one who laments and whines here ...?
Polychop developing now Kiowa is under a stress -> From which reliable source do you know this?
people are expecting ready product -> Umm yes, Polychop said that they want to bring out their new module feature complete. Or not now?
They are expecting marvelous flight modeling -> Who are they? Polychop himself said that they want to give the Kiowa flight model as precise as possible. It is understandable that we as customers take this statement at face value.
and that after Kiowa the new way to develop is used to rewrite gazelle flight modeling to fix it -> Polychop also said that they want to / will adapt the flight model to the Gazelle.
But what happens IF -> And you know that in advance? Do you have a glass ball that predicts the future, right? Let's better wait and see …

It is clear (probably to everyone) that a module that is feature complete will not be spared from bugfixing.
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