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Hello dear Community,

 

to also suggest it here on the Heatblur sim. proj.site

 

The idea of flying an Aardvark together with a Buddy on the Plane planning the strike and the tactical measures for a undetected check in escorted by 2 Shark´s (f-18 )

suppressing the airdefence sites as far as possible, allowing her to move in and drop a devestating payload. suddenly unexpected 4 Bandits appear…. friendly CAP gone no problemo the pig and her capability to burn all the way back to safe Space ----> delights me

 

 

If that could get real for DCS i would be not alone with that Feeling :helpsmilie: :)

 

just a short F-111 Aardvark/FlyingArmory/LOW-Level Strategic Bomber/ Selfdefence /

 

 

with best regards and excuses for the Grammar Lt. RAzOr


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Tornado > Aardvark

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Tomcat > Aardvark.....literally :lol:

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F-111 would be a great long range strike platform in DCS. Tornado is short legged, slow and has a small payload in comparison. Plus Heatblur are already developing the TF-30 for the Tomcat.

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I disagree it's not about capability its about the Air frame and the unique quirks each plane has, and us Europeans deserve something to play with, the Tornado is such an iconic aircraft over here and server with the RAF for nearly 40 years and is still in service with the Germans, Italians and Saudis. I'm by no means saying indont want an F111 I just want a Tornado first.

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F-111 would be a great long range strike platform in DCS. Tornado is short legged, slow and has a small payload in comparison. Plus Heatblur are already developing the TF-30 for the Tomcat.

??

 

Since when is Mach 2.2 regarded slow? And a operational range of 750nm is everything else but short legged. Sure, the F-111 has extraordinary long legs, but 750nm should be well enough for our DCS purposes.

 

And as Miasma said: It's not about capabilities in the first place.

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I disagree it's not about capability its about the Air frame and the unique quirks each plane has, and us Europeans deserve something to play with, the Tornado is such an iconic aircraft over here and server with the RAF for nearly 40 years and is still in service with the Germans, Italians and Saudis. I'm by no means saying indont want an F111 I just want a Tornado first.

 

As an Italian, couldn't agree more.

Thanks, Miasma and QuiGon. My same thoughts exactly, if I daresay.

 

With best regards.

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Tornado < Aardvark if you are honest to yourself and you should be when you talking about what is the better plane in ist Genre

 

 

Schurem and a F-14 Imitates a Tornado even better ^^, "Laughing"


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Since when is Mach 2.2 regarded slow? And a operational range of 750nm is everything else but short legged. Sure, the F-111 has extraordinary long legs, but 750nm should be well enough for our DCS purposes.

 

And as Miasma said: It's not about capabilities in the first place.

 

F-111 does not have a VNE... it goes as fast as the airframe heating will allow. I've heard anecdotal evidence that suggests speeds approaching mach 3 were achieved before having to back off. So, as I said, compared to the F-111 the Tornado is slow. More range means more tactical flexibility and more pylons available for weapons. The Tornado needs to carry external fuel and pods for countermeasures/jammers on stations that could be better used for weapons. Also, I don't care what the OP said about it not being about capabilities. I am not him.

 

 

Miasma- The F-14A and F-111 both use the TF-30 engine... different variants but the same basic engine.

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F-111 does not have a VNE... it goes as fast as the airframe heating will allow. I've heard anecdotal evidence that suggests speeds approaching mach 3 were achieved before having to back off. So, as I said, compared to the F-111 the Tornado is slow. More range means more tactical flexibility and more pylons available for weapons. The Tornado needs to carry external fuel and pods for countermeasures/jammers on stations that could be better used for weapons. Also, I don't care what the OP said about it not being about capabilities. I am not him.

 

 

Miasma- The F-14A and F-111 both use the TF-30 engine... different variants but the same basic engine.

The F-111 is also very limited in regards to different weapon versatility compared to the Tornado.

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@quiGon // A-A

 

2 × LAU-7/A- „Sidewinder“

 

A-G guided

6 × Boeing AGM-69 „SRAM“

2 × Boeing AGM-84A „Harpoon“

2 × LAU-118 AGM-88A/B „HARM“

2 × Rafael/Lockheed Martin AGM-142E „Popeye/Have Nap“

2 × AGM-130A

 

A-G unguided - Laser

4 × BRU-42 TER (Triple Ejection Rack) with 2 × 2 + 2 × 3 (total 10) GBU-12 „Paveway II“

4 × Lockheed-Martin GBU-10E/B „Paveway II“

2 × Raytheon GBU-24A/B „Paveway III“

2 × Raytheon GBU-28/B „Paveway III“

 

36 × Mk.82 General Purpose Bomb

26 × Mk.82 SE „SnakeEye“

26 × Mk.20 „Rockeye II“

26 × M117A1

6 × Mk.83 LDGP

6 × Mk.84 LDGP

4 × M118

16 × BLU-107 „Durandal“

6 × B28EX/RE

6 × B43

6 × B57

6 × B61-2/5

6 × B83

 

isnt that enough Variety? dont kno what you define under limited?

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@quiGon // A-A

 

2 × LAU-7/A- „Sidewinder“

 

A-G guided

6 × Boeing AGM-69 „SRAM“

2 × Boeing AGM-84A „Harpoon“

2 × LAU-118 AGM-88A/B „HARM“

2 × Rafael/Lockheed Martin AGM-142E „Popeye/Have Nap“

2 × AGM-130A

 

A-G unguided - Laser

4 × BRU-42 TER (Triple Ejection Rack) with 2 × 2 + 2 × 3 (total 10) GBU-12 „Paveway II“

4 × Lockheed-Martin GBU-10E/B „Paveway II“

2 × Raytheon GBU-24A/B „Paveway III“

2 × Raytheon GBU-28/B „Paveway III“

 

36 × Mk.82 General Purpose Bomb

26 × Mk.82 SE „SnakeEye“

26 × Mk.20 „Rockeye II“

26 × M117A1

6 × Mk.83 LDGP

6 × Mk.84 LDGP

4 × M118

16 × BLU-107 „Durandal“

6 × B28EX/RE

6 × B43

6 × B57

6 × B61-2/5

6 × B83

 

isnt that enough Variety? dont kno what you define under limited?

Alright, I wasn't aware that Australian Aardvarks carried Harpoons and Popeyes, but still it has no ATGM like the Brimstone/Maverick. The Aardvark is also much less capable in the A-A arena than the Tornado as it lacks integral guns and the Sidewinders were not really practical on the F-111 and thus seldom used.

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@QuiGon i think it has a internal gun not sure but i think so, and ofcourse thats the Beautiful Thing of Planes they are different an there are a lot wich makes Aviation also very interesting at this Point.

 

actually im not comparing im argumenting why i think this would be a cool addon :)

 

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@QuiGon i think it has a internal gun not sure but i think so, and ofcourse thats the Beautiful Thing of Planes they are different an there are a lot wich makes Aviation also very interesting at this Point.

 

actually im not comparing im argumenting why i think this would be a cool addon :)

 

https://www.google.at/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjW7ovmhr7iAhXBsKQKHS_GBH8QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adf-gallery.com.au%2Fgallery%2FF-111-A8-134%2FRAAF_3A8_134a&psig=AOvVaw0us5p6kWOuKAaMRVh_Yurt&ust=1559126992842843

It has no gun of its own. There was a gun pod that could be loaded on the internal bomb bay, which has rarely been used if at all.

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I'd really like to see a F-111. It would bring something new to DCS. I understand everyone wanting the Tornado, but it is likely not possible in DCS. I hope you guys get it, but from what I've been told Panavia has flat out said no. Hopefully that's bad information...

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It has no gun of its own. There was a gun pod that could be loaded on the internal bomb bay, which has rarely been used if at all.

 

Just like the Tornado's guns.

 

Sidewinders were impractical on the Tornado as well. They are intended for self defense. There is not a whole lot of use for them skimming the deck at night in the weather. The point of a strike aircraft is to hit a specific target, usually infrastructure, not to be a multirole do everything fighter. The USAF decided not to equip the F-111 with the Maverick even after the testing was done with it (including firing) because it was not necessary for the intended mission. Same thing goes for the F-111D and AIM-7G Sparrow integration which didn't make it past prototyping before they terminated it. In DCS, we already have the multirole F/A-18C, soon the F-16C and for CAS/Armed Reconnaissance we have the A-10C so it is not a missing capability argument. It sounds more and more like a where it was built and who used it argument. Personally, I'd rather have the F-111 because of its capability, my own experiences with the aircraft, It's storied history and because it is the penultimate cold war strike aircraft. I'm sure if I lived in one of the European countries that flew it, I might think the Tornado was the best too and I can't fault you for wanting to fly your own countries aircraft, heck, that would be a better argument.

If it is a choice between the F-111 or the Tornado, I choose F-111 because I have my biases. Now if the choice was F-16 or Tornado, I would choose Tornado... also because of my biases. I know what I like and the Tornado falls short when compared to the F-111. Hopefully we will eventually get both.

Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills.

 

If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

 

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Just like the Tornado's guns.

 

Sidewinders were impractical on the Tornado as well. They are intended for self defense. There is not a whole lot of use for them skimming the deck at night in the weather. The point of a strike aircraft is to hit a specific target, usually infrastructure, not to be a multirole do everything fighter.

Sure, but in DCS it happens much more often that you end up fighting enemy aircraft on ground attack missions. The numbers of aircraft that have been shot down by A-10s (another aircraft that was not intended for fighting other aircaft) in DCS are huge. Another reason why this hasn't really happened IRL is the kind of wars that have been fought in the past decades, which were not fought against major powers with capable air forces of their own.

 

It sounds more and more like a where it was built and who used it argument. Personally, I'd rather have the F-111 because of its capability, my own experiences with the aircraft, It's storied history and because it is the penultimate cold war strike aircraft. I'm sure if I lived in one of the European countries that flew it, I might think the Tornado was the best too and I can't fault you for wanting to fly your own countries aircraft, heck, that would be a better argument.

 

Because it is to a huge part. That's why I reffered to Miasma's comment before:

I disagree it's not about capability its about the Air frame and the unique quirks each plane has, and us Europeans deserve something to play with, the Tornado is such an iconic aircraft over here and server with the RAF for nearly 40 years and is still in service with the Germans, Italians and Saudis. I'm by no means saying indont want an F111 I just want a Tornado first.

 

I think there are more than enough US aircraft available in DCS now, compared to aircraft from other places.

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I'd really like to see a F-111. It would bring something new to DCS. I understand everyone wanting the Tornado, but it is likely not possible in DCS. I hope you guys get it, but from what I've been told Panavia has flat out said no. Hopefully that's bad information...

Who has told you that? :huh:

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