@BST: When can we expect the Mi-8 manual to be available?

 

That said, the mi8 is my last beta purchase.

Same

That said, the mi8 is my last beta purchase.

Huey is out of beta long time ago and still not finished. Beta or non-beta does not matter in dcs I guess.

I too am very disappointed for lack of updates about Mi-8. It seems they have forgotten the Mi-8 (and Huey too) to foist another beta module (the Sabre). ... the saga continues ...

to ShuRugal:

I've read your KA-50 FIX BUGS.

If it haven't not already been reported, Ka-50 can fly without activating anti-icing systems even if the outside temperature is below 5 °. I have flown at -40°, without anti-icing, without any problem!!!

antonio.

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I too am very disappointed for lack of updates about Mi-8. It seems they have forgotten the Mi-8 (and Huey too) to foist another beta module (the Sabre). ... the saga continues ...

 

antonio.

What exactly are you missing in the DCS Mi-8 that would require an update? All the important systems missing in the first beta release have been added (ADF, Bombs, etc.), as well as all major bugs have been fixed so I do not see any need for "updates". Now I can already hear people complaining about missing cockpit flood lights and the fans not working. But these are neither necessary for proper operation nor spoil the fun in any way IMHO.

I dare anyone on this forum to show me ANY other non Belsimtek simulated helicopter on ANY platform to come even close to the Mi-8 we have in DCS.

I dont know about the Huey but the Mi-8 has been constantly recieving updates since the first beta release and is now in a rock solid state of a finished product, hence no need for updates. Although some nice features are always welcome, the Mi-8 in its current state is far more than anybody could wish and/or demand for for below 50$.

I can however understand the frustration about the lack of an english manual/cockpit. But the again you are not completely left in the dark if you use this forum and the many tutorial videos.

Guys, can we keep this threat at least roughly on topic, please? I.e. Mi-8, manuals, perhaps missing features.

But this is not about "beta? never again!" nor anything about the Huey and also not about the Ka-50.

Thanks! :o)

Since I have seen this thread, I watch it a lot. Who cares about new module from Belsimtek? It has been a year or so Mi-8 is out. I really like this module, progress with sound and systems is great too. But guys, be a little harder on them. You spent your money as I did for the module and wait for a year to a non-existing english manual. I want it and you should really do it too. I am not sure if Belsimtek do something with it. How can possibly anyone apologise Belsimtek?

A year of waiting? Is that really that hard do finish it when everyone paid for it? A year. Dammed!

And some reply or reaction? Silence.

Dear Belsimtek I love your two helicopters and have so much enjoyment flying them that a manual seems superfluous now, keep up the good work.:thumbup:

Dear Belsimtek I love your two helicopters and have so much enjoyment flying them that a manual seems superfluous now, keep up the good work.:thumbup:

I partly agree (I love both helis).

But since we talk about a ''study sim'', calling the manual superfluous is not correct.

Dnt get me wrong, I love to fly the mi8 for fun, but my main interest and greatest fun will come AFTER I study the systems and learn to operate this beauty as close to reality as I can.

Yes I have had fun and frustration learning the systems with help from the forums. I will find it interesting when the manual is released how much I am doing wrong:)

Yes I have had fun and frustration learning the systems with help from the forums. I will find it interesting when the manual is released how much I am doing wrong:)

I agree (partly again). I also admire you sir for your compassion towards our common hobby.

This forum is a great information source.

But please consider that many people dnt have the time to dive into this information pool.

Also when there are oficial people posting this 4 months ago:

RU - already available

EN - WIP (75..80%). However this task is implementing several translators and will eventually require single specialist all gather and formatting. Maybe 2..4 weeks

then a percentage of the hardcore community, not the ''win+home=fly and have fun'', will be frustrated.

I know this is probably futile, but any word on the manual? I understand EvilBivol had some family issues to tend to, and that's fine, I honestly hope all is well.

However, in that same update, it was said that "I am back at work now and making up for lost time and development." Unfortunately, it's now been another two months and we still have nothing.

As someone who sees studying a 500+ page flight manual as half the fun in a simulation, this issue is getting truly frustrating.

It doesn't matter if Belsimtek releases it or not since we probably buy the next module anyway since there are no alternatives.

It doesn't matter if Belsimtek releases it or not since we probably buy the next module anyway since there are no alternatives.

sure there's an alternative: don't buy the next module. While I do think that BST has done some awesome work with their releases so far, I will not be purchasing any more of their products in 'beta test' status, simply because of the state the MI-8 has been left in. I very much look forward to the Cobra, but I won't be purchasing it until it is complete and not stuck in the public-beta limbo that the MI-8 has got caught up in.

Well I first bought the Sabre and then discovered my love for the already purchased Mi-8, but next time I'll hold back until they show real progress on the other modules...

It doesn't matter if Belsimtek releases it or not since we probably buy the next module anyway since there are no alternatives.

I do agree; I don't think this will really turn too many people off from future Belsimtek modules.

Speaking for myself, though, I can safely say that I'll be taking the 'wait-and-see' approach with Belsimtek from now on. I just can't buy another module that will remain unfinished, un-played, and collecting dust like my Mi-8.

It has been more than four months from info that english manual is completed 75% and two months from info that it has priority on EvilBivol's to-do list. If it was another plane, I wouldn't care so much about the manual. But flying a helicopter like Mi-8 after A-10C and the Mustang is quite a different story. There are systems and procedures which I would like to learn about from the official written document.

It would be nice that we get some new information about this manual at least. Because of all activity around the Sabre, I do think that this task is on hold again.

Maybe we'll get an update after EDGE is released...

What a dilemma ....

If there had not been the greed to have it FAST & NOW, regardless if beta, alpha or earlier, with or without the manual.. than there would not be such a gap in fulfilled and unfulfilled wishes.

I enjoy both, the Mi-8 and UH-1. I don't fly that much to have the right to speak as a hardcore simmer, those times are gone, I fly from time to time and enjoy many aspects of the game.

So from that perspective I grand myself a slow approach to the modules, as time and mood allows.

I do see self-propelled gap in the beta-land. As long as beta releases are widely accepted you will

have to deal with delays, delays of when wishes are fulfilled.

I did not buy the Sabre for a simple reason. I have enough modules ahead of my capabilities and skills that I need to invest time in and 2nd: I don't need another beta. I can wait until it's all finished and just relax.

With Devrim's mod, lots of YT videos and some time and mood at hand I got the Mi-8 to where I need it to have fun, more to come... it's a beta, still...and I accept it. I bought it this way with no time frame given when it would be finished. The Dev's family issues are real life and are priority, always. If it had not been released yet, it would have gotten delayed, either way, it would have impacted the Dev's time planning work/family balance. I accept it, Life can be hard and sometimes your head needs a rest, some time to recover. You cannot always force life into a box of your liking. It will rather force you to accept, the hard or the soft way.

I am not taking party here for anyone, jut trying to show how things "can" evolve if certain parameters are given at start.

Hope for the best and expect the worst ;)

Bit

I get the point of what you are trying to say BitMaster but we are not ungrateful and I think that we all understand that sometimes life can be unpredictable. But when you see that somebody is back and you are told that certain task is high on his priority list, then months go by and nothing happens and meanwhile there is lots of activity around new module (the Sabre), it is not nice.

All I wanted was news regarding the manual. If EvilBivol says: "bla, bla, the manual can't be finishen until I don't know what, but than it will be" I will be satisfied because I know that he did not forget about it. That's all.

I get the point of what you are trying to say BitMaster but we are not ungrateful and I think that we all understand that sometimes life can be unpredictable. But when you see that somebody is back and you are told that certain task is high on his priority list, then months go by and nothing happens and meanwhile there is lots of activity around new module (the Sabre), it is not nice.

 

All I wanted was news regarding the manual. If EvilBivol says: "bla, bla, the manual can't be finishen until I don't know what, but than it will be" I will be satisfied because I know that he did not forget about it. That's all.

This.

Well, to some extend. It is not just the manual that is missing now for how long? almost a year? The Mi-8 generally lacks some love in regards of letting it evolve into a full product.

With all personal sympathy and appreciation for the hassles that life can surprise anyone of us with, but if too much is depending on a single person, then there is a problem - that needs to be adressed somehow...

I really don't want to sound unkindly or even rude, but with all due respect, this is how trust and respect is squandered.

With all personal sympathy and appreciation for the hassles that life can surprise anyone of us with, but if too much is depending on a single person, then there is a problem - that needs to be adressed somehow...

Exactly this.

I am still looking for the complete Huey manual as well.

I've purchased all of Belsimtek's modules (Huey, Mi8, F86) and I don't have a complete manual for neither.

Don't get me wrong, these products are amazing, but as an enthusiastic simmer, the big fat manual is 50% of the fun (understanding the machine I fly to its maximum).

I don't know about the rest of you guys, and I say it with a heavy heart but if these manuals won't come REALLY soon (as in, before they release their next module), the F-86 would be the last time I spend my money on BSM products, regardless of their quality.

I am still looking for the complete Huey manual as well.

I've purchased all of Belsimtek's modules (Huey, Mi8, F86) and I don't have a complete manual for neither.

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