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Old 05-28-2019, 11:11 PM   #41
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I'd like to know a well. Could it be a smudge or defect or dust on the lens of the flir?

Unless they shoot one down and we get hands on it, then it's all just weather balloons and lens dust to me
Wow, when F18 Pilots (plural) say they see something I believe them! I think you're being incredibly narrow-minded and I also think that you are forgetting how qualified and well-trained these individuals are for observing and reporting. The Navy only picks the best, they don't pick fools that would mistake a smudge.. get real.. I'd also like to add he described it in detail that of a craft that was the shape and size of a 40-foot Tic Tac with two L-shaped appendages on the bottom. One of the crew that review the original Flir footage described it the same way and that the original footage was 10 minutes long and much more clear.
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Old 05-29-2019, 12:32 AM   #42
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Reading the comments on this one is brain cell killing.
It's so obviously just the contrail of another aircraft it hurts. I fly often and love my window seats and see this al the time.


Generally, the vast majority of UFO sightings can be explained by earthly phenomena misidentification of completely normal objects or fakery.

But there are a few intriguing accounts. Most notably the Belgian UFO wave, which was seen by thousands of people.

The one account that is surely one of the the most interesting to us is the "tic tac", which was spotted and followed by US Navy F/A-18 pilots.
There's even a "The Fighter Pilot Podcast" episode with one of the pilots.

However, all any unexplained aerial phenomena proves so far, is that people see some weird stuff. Any extraterrestrial origin is pure speculation and imagination.
Another FA18 SH driver reported almost crashing into a UFO in 2014 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/u...vy-pilots.html) . With speeds that were not possible with current technology. And I believe it was the chief of staff of the Belgian Air Force that had a briefing. Two aircraft radars locked on as well as a ground radar. So clearly, it wasn't an equipment malfunction. That was a while ago.

The tic tac was fascinating as well.

So it seems like there's something.
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Old 05-29-2019, 12:34 AM   #43
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I'd like to know a well. Could it be a smudge or defect or dust on the lens of the flir?

When they talk about how the f/a18 spirals downward in order to get a good look at the UFO and it matches their spiral maneuver perfectly but opposite, then that just sounds like equipment failure, or something stuck to the lens.

As fair as I know nobody saw anything as well as detected it with sensors at the same time. Only one or the other, making me think it's malfunction one time, and optical illusion of the human eye the next. If they both saw it with their eyes and also confirmed it with their equipment, then we would know something was likely there. But when it's only one or the other, it's likely malfunctioning sensors or brain failure. We are tricked by magicians easily, and we know they are not aliens(unless thats part of their alien plan :p)

There's that space photo of the NASA blanket floating around in space, and people thought it was an alien satellite, because there was no sense of scale. So I'm quite sure what pilots saw with there own eyes, in a pressurized cabin, with artificial oxygen, traveling at Mach 1, at 30,000 feet with brain overloaded with information and expecting to see a UFO from a briefing.... well that's a stressful situation, and your brain is primed to see something unusual, then the brain takes shortcuts to keep you safe(could that pile of leaves be a lion watching you? My tribe said there was a lion around.... ) , so in those moments everything looks unusual.

Perhaps those malfunctions are even programmed in on purpose to test pilot's and radar crew psychology since they seem to happen only during training....and some pentagon psychologist team is chuckling away.


But I'm quite sure all of this is purposely lite on info in order to create mystery to sell a book and TV show (about to air).

Still I'd love to find out how our eyes were tricked, whether it was dust on the flir or something else logical.

Unless they shoot one down and we get hands on it, then it's all just weather balloons and lens dust to me

Your forgetting the fact that surface ships picked it up for a week prior. And they were vectored to it. You're not going to be vectored due to a speck of dust.

There's no more credible witness than professionals who are trained to pick up other aircrafts, with their lives on the line.

And remember, there are "beeelions and beeeelions of stars" after all.
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Old 05-29-2019, 11:16 AM   #44
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Wow, when F18 Pilots (plural) say they see something I believe them! I think you're being incredibly narrow-minded and I also think that you are forgetting how qualified and well-trained these individuals are for observing and reporting. The Navy only picks the best, they don't pick fools that would mistake a smudge.. get real.. I'd also like to add he described it in detail that of a craft that was the shape and size of a 40-foot Tic Tac with two L-shaped appendages on the bottom. One of the crew that review the original Flir footage described it the same way and that the original footage was 10 minutes long and much more clear.
The pilots no doubt are the best, no question, but from a high altitude, travelling at incredible speed, with possible mild hypoxia effects on the brain due to high g forces - how accurately can anyone (even the best) tell how big something is, when it's in the ocean, miles away. There would be nothing to give you a true sense of scale.

The quality of FLIR is also not particularly high definition and takes some interpretation.



This UFO looks like a huge satellite orbiting earth. But it's actually a small blanket that feel out of the space station....
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Your forgetting the fact that surface ships picked it up for a week prior. And they were vectored to it. You're not going to be vectored due to a speck of dust.
I think that's what NineGzuz is getting at - the pilots were primed to expect to see a "UFO" so anything their brains couldn't explain to them naturally (under the stresses of flying the best fighter plane at the time) everything unusual would stand out as a UFO.

Have you ever been mushroom gathering in a forest? Everything after a while starts looking like a mushroom. Every shadow, every stick, every rock is subconsciously a mushroom, until you consciously analyze it.

Magician's also use priming like this to do their tricks. Even the best person around can be primed and tricked (unless they know it's coming).


This is what I think happened: The surface ship's have a radar malfunction, or a training bogey, who knows. They brief the pilots to look for something unusual. Under the mental and physical stress and perhaps even mild effects of hypoxia from high G, the brain is not going to thinking as clearly as it's capable with two feet on the ground and a nice cup of coffee... and something visually miles away looks to be a certain size and shape, even though it's just an optical illusion.

We don't know if what the pilots saw was the same as what the FLIR saw, or what the radar on the surface ship detected. They might have all been separate and unrelated things.

I'm married to a psychologist, trust me, our brains are stupid (especially mine apparently )
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Old 05-29-2019, 11:49 AM   #46
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Another FA18 SH driver reported almost crashing into a UFO in 2014 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/u...vy-pilots.html) . With speeds that were not possible with current technology. And I believe it was the chief of staff of the Belgian Air Force that had a briefing. Two aircraft radars locked on as well as a ground radar. So clearly, it wasn't an equipment malfunction. That was a while ago.

The tic tac was fascinating as well.

So it seems like there's something.

Tic tac was visual ID only AFAIK. Which as we all know is not that reliable particularly in stressful situations. Friendly fire accidents happen sometimes from this - pilots mistake markings on top of vehicles for SAMs in the gulf War. Everyone in the same flight group saw the non exist ant SAMs.

With the Belgian group, how do we know that it wasn't a falling meteor or satellite debris which China didn't bother warning us. Etc. All 3 radars may have picked up a weather anomaly or false positive etc.

I'm certain they saw and detected something, but they need to show more data and that the data matches what the eyeballs saw.

Whether it is UFO or ET or just dust. It is very interesting to me.
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Tic tac was visual ID only AFAIK. Which as we all know is not that reliable particularly in stressful situations. Friendly fire accidents happen sometimes from this - pilots mistake markings on top of vehicles for SAMs in the gulf War. Everyone in the same flight group saw the non exist ant SAMs.

With the Belgian group, how do we know that it wasn't a falling meteor or satellite debris which China didn't bother warning us. Etc. All 3 radars may have picked up a weather anomaly or false positive etc.

I'm certain they saw and detected something, but they need to show more data and that the data matches what the eyeballs saw.

Whether it is UFO or ET or just dust. It is very interesting to me.
Because falling meteors or debris don't make course corrections or reverse directions.
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I think that's what NineGzuz is getting at - the pilots were primed to expect to see a "UFO" so anything their brains couldn't explain to them naturally (under the stresses of flying the best fighter plane at the time) everything unusual would stand out as a UFO.

Have you ever been mushroom gathering in a forest? Everything after a while starts looking like a mushroom. Every shadow, every stick, every rock is subconsciously a mushroom, until you consciously analyze it.

Magician's also use priming like this to do their tricks. Even the best person around can be primed and tricked (unless they know it's coming).


This is what I think happened: The surface ship's have a radar malfunction, or a training bogey, who knows. They brief the pilots to look for something unusual. Under the mental and physical stress and perhaps even mild effects of hypoxia from high G, the brain is not going to thinking as clearly as it's capable with two feet on the ground and a nice cup of coffee... and something visually miles away looks to be a certain size and shape, even though it's just an optical illusion.

We don't know if what the pilots saw was the same as what the FLIR saw, or what the radar on the surface ship detected. They might have all been separate and unrelated things.

I'm married to a psychologist, trust me, our brains are stupid (especially mine apparently )
So they were primed to see a 40-foot Tic Tac with L-shaped appendages coming out the bottom?.. damn I got to get me some of that priming
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I think that's what NineGzuz is getting at - the pilots were primed to expect to see a "UFO" so anything their brains couldn't explain to them naturally (under the stresses of flying the best fighter plane at the time) everything unusual would stand out as a UFO.

Have you ever been mushroom gathering in a forest? Everything after a while starts looking like a mushroom. Every shadow, every stick, every rock is subconsciously a mushroom, until you consciously analyze it.

Magician's also use priming like this to do their tricks. Even the best person around can be primed and tricked (unless they know it's coming).


This is what I think happened: The surface ship's have a radar malfunction, or a training bogey, who knows. They brief the pilots to look for something unusual. Under the mental and physical stress and perhaps even mild effects of hypoxia from high G, the brain is not going to thinking as clearly as it's capable with two feet on the ground and a nice cup of coffee... and something visually miles away looks to be a certain size and shape, even though it's just an optical illusion.

We don't know if what the pilots saw was the same as what the FLIR saw, or what the radar on the surface ship detected. They might have all been separate and unrelated things.

I'm married to a psychologist, trust me, our brains are stupid (especially mine apparently )

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying they were vectored to a UFO. They were vectored to take a look. That's going on what the pilot said on the podcast and news reports.

Look, I'm a believer of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The level of "what is extraordinary evidence" is what is in question here.

I'm a tainted witness because in high school, in the deserts of Yuma Arizona, 4 of us saw something that made no sense. I have no idea what it was, but it wasn't Marine/Air Force/Army aircraft. Because we don't have a planes that can fly that fast.

But more than eye witnesses - notoriously inaccurate (hence the "tainted witness") I'm more impressed by NORAD and other ATC's reporting incredibly odd readings from multiple installations.

Anyway, it is interesting where this is all going.
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Tic tac was visual ID only AFAIK. Which as we all know is not that reliable particularly in stressful situations. Friendly fire accidents happen sometimes from this - pilots mistake markings on top of vehicles for SAMs in the gulf War. Everyone in the same flight group saw the non exist ant SAMs.

With the Belgian group, how do we know that it wasn't a falling meteor or satellite debris which China didn't bother warning us. Etc. All 3 radars may have picked up a weather anomaly or false positive etc.

I'm certain they saw and detected something, but they need to show more data and that the data matches what the eyeballs saw.

Whether it is UFO or ET or just dust. It is very interesting to me.
Multiple visual, carrier radar and FLIR recording. Guys I suggest you watch this, it is very well done. https://youtu.be/PRgoisHRmUE
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