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There are several 109 pilots who have mentioned using the trim in order to pull out of dives, and in a few cases even in dogfights. No reason you couldnt do what you're talking about for real.

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I have trim and flaps set to my stick and throttle. very use

ful.. just don't go more than 10 deg. flaps above 500km

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the rudder in the 109 is astonishingly ineffective.

 

if you stood beside one and saw how small the rudder really was, you would understand why..

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if you stood beside one and saw how small the rudder really was, you would understand why..

 

 

As well as astonishing small, have you seen it in person? Ridiculously small, the whole aircraft is.

 

 

 

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yes, there is 1 a few meters next to my work. i can watch it every day.;) yes its small...but, it has a flettner rudder, which is i think not considered in the rudder forces(at least by the sounds of Yo-Yo's previous statements), and also because of the small surface, the force should also be smaller theoretically, and therefore should be possible to deflect more at similar speeds to a bigger rudder, given the connections between pedals and rudder are identical. and there is nothing special with the 109's.

of course a bigger rudder has a bigger effect at similar deflection to a smaller one. but as you mentioned, the whole 109 is small, not only the rudder. so the relative size of the rudder, is not much smaller than the 1 of the spitfire for example. the p51 has a huge rudder though!


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Yep, the rudder is still small as well as the whole aircraft, but the engine isn't as it's torque either. So not any advantage, on the contrary it's the worst case scenario you would like, massive torque and no big enough controls to counter it.

 

 

So back on topic, an excellent rendition of the real deal IMO regardless of the dumb down of the most recent versions compared to first released one (same as every DCS warbird I have to say).

 

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P.S.: the Spitfire rudder is bigger by a bunch, and only later models had a bigger and reshaped one as I guess you know


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The trouble is the trim wheel would be somewhat difficult to get to in certain instances, and would need to be shuttled aft several times to get to the desired trim setting.

 

how is the trimwheel difficult to reach? its just where your left arm is. the design is actually pretty clever thought out, as its next to the flaps wheel, so that you can easily adjust both at the same time. multiple pilot accounts talk about using trim...the only possible discrepancy i see between those statements and dcs is that most pilot accounts say, that only very little trim change was needed to get to the desired attitude...but thats a pretty vague and statement. not precise to either say its correct or not...

 

but one thing is for sure, to trim a plane is no cheat, thats usual business in any aircraft.

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I'm only just learning the K-4. And I love the DCS rendition of it. Right now I have only a handful of flights under my belt. And I need to read the manual from start to finish. So I know there is much that I do not know about her. But, she is a very good bird. She can bite you for sure. But I love the 109. I'm not quite up to ACM in the bird yet though.

 

As far as the trim wheel goes, I usually do that with the mouse in my right hand and the stick in my left which is kind of a contortion thing for me as I have the stick on my right side. But it works.

 

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Just want to say I just got this bird and I really love it already.

I've had a few flights and I am building up my airbase slowly with available hardware and have been chasing a spitfire around lately, my takeoffs are OK now (no peddles) so I use assistance to compensate. Landings are sometimes Ok and sometimes I break stuff but it's really challenging and I have new admiration for the pilots of those planes.

 

I've a read just a few books on the WWII aces and their short brilliant lives so it's pretty amazing to be able to have this experience with this sim.

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It’s missing wing mounted cannons so that’s about only complaint I have .
Yep, apparently it's not proven that they were operationally ever used in this model despite the manual talking about it.

 

 

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Who cares if it was operational, the dam bird was wired up for it but probably never used because they where getting bombed to shit by the allies. So I personally think it should be an option.

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Who cares if it was operational, the dam bird was wired up for it but probably never used because they where getting bombed to shit by the allies. So I personally think it should be an option.
This still is a flight simulation, you know, for arcade options you have the competence :thumbup: .

 

 

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This still is a flight simulation, you know, for arcade options you have the competence :thumbup: .

 

 

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Then why are we flying Bf-109K over Normandy beaches?

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Then why are we flying Bf-109K over Normandy beaches?
Because Illya Shevchenko (aka Luthier, also responsible for a previous well known simulator failure) decided those models and map in his now infamous kickstarter back in ~2013 IIRC.

 

 

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Because Illya Shevchenko (aka Luthier, also responsible for a previous well known simulator failure) decided those models and map in his now infamous kickstarter back in ~2013 IIRC.

 

 

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Haha, what a blast from the past!

Looks like we won´t be getting that Corsica map after all... Pity...

Flying the 109 over 1944 Nomrandy is still better than present day Corsica.

 

 

 

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Then why are we flying Bf-109K over Normandy beaches?

 

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Restrict MW50 availability and it’s nearly a G6...

 

This is NOT in DCS spirit.. unless they want to become just another arcade game..

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This is NOT in DCS spirit.. unless they want to become just another arcade game..
Then in DCS spirit take Erich Brunotte's words and don't ever fly the 109 beyond 1.2ATA in order to keep the engine alive :D.

 

 

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This is NOT in DCS spirit.. unless they want to become just another arcade game..

 

To counter that, stop flying your 109 until a map of Germany is released.

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to every ppl complaining about DCS not realistic enought just stop playing dcs after first death becouse you have only one life in real life so after one death you cant play anymore by your means.

BTW normandy maps is extremly borring its flat nothing interesting there

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to every ppl complaining about DCS not realistic enought just stop playing dcs after first death becouse you have only one life in real life so after one death you cant play anymore by your means.

BTW normandy maps is extremly borring its flat nothing interesting there

 

Maybe that will be the follow on "ultra-real" sim version. So when you have a crash in an aircraft the game developers send the mob over to break one of your legs.

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