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View Poll Results: Are you interested in a payware update of the 80´s F-5E to the present F-5N?
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Old 09-20-2019, 01:21 AM   #91
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F-4 is in active development
What I am saying is that I would prefer the limited manpower that is available focus on releasing the F-4 rather than making a new variant of the F-5 or even giving the existing F-5E a facelift.

I am also aware that the F-4 was indefinitely delayed in favor of the F-16C, Mi-24, and AH-1.

There are lots of projects in progress and lots of projects being proposed. It would be nice if the projects in progress could be finished correctly and in a reasonable time before starting new ones. Though, it is easy to argue that existing releases should get their bug lists addressed instead of focusing on in-progress or new projects. The developers have to walk a fine line: if they don't release new stuff, they can't generate more money, but if they don't ever finish released projects up to promised standards then most people won't by their new stuff. It is a tough call to divide resources between existing, in-progress, and completely new projects. These aircraft are modeled to a level of detail that it is almost impossible to iron out every last bug and keep the models/textures up to current standards as the game engine steadily changes.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:37 PM   #92
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What I am saying is that I would prefer the limited manpower that is available focus on releasing the F-4 rather than making a new variant of the F-5 or even giving the existing F-5E a facelift.

I am also aware that the F-4 was indefinitely delayed in favor of the F-16C, Mi-24, and AH-1.

There are lots of projects in progress and lots of projects being proposed. It would be nice if the projects in progress could be finished correctly and in a reasonable time before starting new ones. Though, it is easy to argue that existing releases should get their bug lists addressed instead of focusing on in-progress or new projects. The developers have to walk a fine line: if they don't release new stuff, they can't generate more money, but if they don't ever finish released projects up to promised standards then most people won't by their new stuff. It is a tough call to divide resources between existing, in-progress, and completely new projects. These aircraft are modeled to a level of detail that it is almost impossible to iron out every last bug and keep the models/textures up to current standards as the game engine steadily changes.
If it was nothing more than just a "face lift" deemed necessary it wouldn't be as big of a deal for me. But considering it was never correct to begin with for an USAF aggressor model as was initially advertised , it honestly needs more than a texture facelift. That being said, the F5N ( You could cover the Swiss F5E at the same time as they are basically buybacks) is not fundamentally different from current F5E. just a few avionics differences ( most namely INS and digital radios), but the current agressor F5E to be correct would have to have the RWR and Countermeasures removed as neither the USAF nor navy used F5E's in that configuration. Those exact features and thier cockpit placement are specific to the F5N.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=247412

However limited resources there are as you yourself agree a module should be properly done before starting new projects. Therefore as much as i would like to see an F4E at some point after the F16, i still don't want the F5 module to be ignored forever, because its not just a matter of meager texture updates.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:46 PM   #93
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However limited resources there are as you yourself agree a module should be properly done before starting new projects. Therefore as much as i would like to see an F4E at some point after the F16, i still don't want the F5 module to be ignored forever, because its not just a matter of meager texture updates.
Honestly I've oft wondered how much more extra dev effort airframe variants would be for DCS. Obviously we all want more variety, but really, if you could say get 2 reasonably close planes for 110% or 120% of the dev effort of 1 plane? In some cases its obviously a ton of work (F model Mig21 vs Mig21bis as an example, or various blocks of F16's), but in this case it seems like it wouldn't.
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Old 09-21-2019, 12:15 AM   #94
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New module in high demand = more money: F-14, F-16, F-18. Hours dumped into fixing old modules = loss of money. They basically get the modules just good enough to keep people happy enough to buy the next module.

Every module I have has mired down in a state where there are certain well known bugs and no evidence that those bugs are ever going to be fully addressed. But most modules, even in their current state, are still better than anything else I can fly in other sims. One module was so bad for so long that both the developer and the module are gone.

You can tell me that the F-5E has some bad flaws and that it doesn't match the variant it is supposed to replicate, but I still find the F-5E to be one the best modules available. I put more hours into the F-5E per month than I do any other module since it was released. It may not be a "perfect" experience, but for me it is one of the best experiences you can have flying it out of NTTR. In VR, the immersion is amazing. On a 49" 4K flat panel, the graphics are breathtaking.

The F-5E is not alone in not quite reflecting a real variant or the intended variant. The F-86F is in a similar pinch. Despite claims to the contrary, ED seems to favor gameplay over realism and the most historically appropriate variants to model. I would have made both the F-86F and MiG-15bis modules as accurately as possible variants that faced each other in the Korean War. I would have preferred to have appropriate Vietnam or Arab-Israeli variants of the F-4 and MiG-21. But what we have gotten is and are about to get are close enough to what I want that I will buy and fly them anyway. Alternatively, I could stop buying DCS modules while waiting for modules I will never get and watch ED go out of business if everyone else withheld their money until ED gave them exactly what they want, too.
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Old 09-21-2019, 12:22 AM   #95
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Hours dumped into fixing old modules = loss of money.
Not completely true - new players still buy old modules, so if they don't look dated then they may well get more sales still. Maybe not the same RoI as a new module, though. And lack of customer satisfaction does cost some future sales.
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