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Old 01-31-2018, 02:42 PM   #1
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Default Mi-8 Gunners without Hard-points and without cockpit Gun-sight?

Hi,

Every time I want to have any gunner in the Mi-8 the hard-points are automatically set. And if I remove them the gunner will be remove automatically.

I will like to fly some missions of rescue or light support with this great helicopter, having, for example, only one offensive resource like a left gunner for example.

The only way until now is to use hard-points, even if the are going to be empty, is quite useless and aesthetically not cool, and it adds the gun-sight to the pilots cockpit, that is not very desirable neither.

Is there any option / work around to have a gunner with no hard-points and not pilot gun-sight?

If not... Is there any chance that this could be implemented in the module in the future?

Thank you very much

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Old 01-31-2018, 07:31 PM   #2
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No, the gunners are a weapon, and weapons are attached to hard-points (in this case, hard-points inside the aircraft).

In the future ? Who knows. As long as global warming doesn't leave us back in the stone ages, I guess there's a chance for anything to happen.
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I couldn't agree more. I wish we could have flares and wire strike protection without hard points in the huey too.

Speaking of flares, when are we getting RWR and chaff?
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I absolutely agree with this request!! It would also be nice to have in the Huey as well.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:05 PM   #5
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Thanks to the info provided by Taillhook. It's possible indeed !!!



Adding:

Code:
custom_args = { [1000] = 1.0, }
at the end of the code inside the chosen livery's description.lua.

Also, "magically" removes the gunsight model from the cockpit.

Hell yea!
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Thanks to the info provided by Taillhook. It's possible indeed !!!



Adding:

Code:
custom_args = { [1000] = 1.0, }
at the end of the code inside the chosen livery's description.lua.

Also, "magically" removes the gunsight model from the cockpit.

Hell yea!
Hi Grajo,

I’ve tried to copy and paste the code line in a description file. But no way ! It won’t work.

Could you please provide a link to an existing skin so I could understand how it works?

Thank you ????
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Old 03-06-2020, 06:03 AM   #7
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Hi Sleipner,

I have not uploaded any livery with this feature yet, I will when I finish with the V02 of my USSR Afghan Liveries pack.

In any case here you have the description.lua where you can see how the stuff works:

Code:
 -- USSR Afghanistan C - No Hardpoints - by Grajo - v02


livery = {
        {"mi_8_tex1", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};
	{"mi_8_tex1", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};
	
	{"mi_8_tex2", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};
	{"mi_8_tex2", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};
	
	{"mi_8_tex3", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_3_HRC",false};
	{"mi_8_tex3", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_3_RoughMet_HRC",false};
	
	{"mi_8_tex4", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_4_HRC",false};
	{"mi_8_tex4", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_4_RoughMet_HRC",false};
	
	
	{"EVU", 0 , "evu_texture_HRC", false};
	{"EVU", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"evu_texture_RoughMet_HRC", false};
	
	
	
	---- Decal Numbers - amount and location
	
	{"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_001", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};             -- three-digit tail number. location - in the area of engine air intakes
	{"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_001", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};        --       
	{"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_001", DECAL ,"empty",true};              --

    {"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_010", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};             --    
	{"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_010", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};        --       
	{"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_010", DECAL ,"empty",true};              --

    {"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_100", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};             --    
	{"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_100", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};        --       
	{"mi_8_ENGINE_NUMBER_100", DECAL ,"empty",true};              --

	
	{"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_001", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};             -- three-digit tail number. location - on board under the engine air intakes
	{"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_001", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};        --       
	{"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_001", DECAL ,"empty",true};              --

    {"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_010", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};             --    
	{"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_010", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};        --       
	{"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_010", DECAL ,"empty",true};              --

    {"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_100", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};             --    
	{"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_100", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};        --       
	{"mi_8_SMALL_NUMBER_100", DECAL ,"empty",true};              --
	
    
	{"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_001", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};               -- three-digit tail number. location - Center of the hull 
	{"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_001", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};          --     
	{"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_001", DECAL ,"mi_8_bort_number_HRC",false};     --

    {"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_010", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};               --  
	{"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_010", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};          --     
	{"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_010", DECAL ,"mi_8_bort_number_HRC",false};     --

    {"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_100", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_1_HRC",false};               --  
	{"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_100", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_1_RoughMet_HRC",false};          --     
	{"mi_8_BORT_NUMBER_100", DECAL ,"empty",true};     --                     


	
	{"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_001", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          -- three-digit tail number. location - at the tail boom      
	{"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_001", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_001", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

    {"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_010", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --       
	{"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_010", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_010", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

    {"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_100", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --       
	{"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_100", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_2_1_NUMBER_100", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --
	
	
	
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_001", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          -- three-digit tail number. location - on the tail boom on the left side        
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_001", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_001", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

    {"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_010", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --       
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_010", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_010", DECAL ,"empty",true};          --

    {"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_100", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --       
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_100", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_1_NUMBER_100", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

	
	
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_001", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          -- three-digit tail number. location - on the tail boom on the right side              
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_001", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_001", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

    {"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_010", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --      
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_010", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_010", DECAL ,"empty",true};          --

    
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_100", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --             
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_100", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_2_NUMBER_100", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --
	
	
	
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_001", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          -- additional three-digit tail number. location - in the middle of the tail boom on the right side              
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_001", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_001", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

    {"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_010", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --       
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_010", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_010", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

    {"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_100", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --       
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_100", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_BALKA_1_3_NUMBER_100", DECAL ,"empty",true};           -- 

	
	
	{"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_001", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --  place under the three-digit registration number. location - on the tail boom in front of the horizontal tail              
	{"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_001", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_001", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

    {"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_010", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --      
	{"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_010", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_010", DECAL ,"empty",true};           --

    {"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_100", 0 ,"mi_8_tex_2_HRC",false};          --      
	{"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_100", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi_8_tex_2_RoughMet_HRC",false};     --          
	{"mi_8_SMALL_BALKA_NUMBER_100", DECAL ,"empty",true}; 

	--
	
	{"MAIN WHEELS_R", 0, "mi8_main_wheel_HRC", false};
    {"MAIN WHEELS_R", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi8_main_wheel_RoughMet_HRC", false};
    {"MAIN WHEELS_L", 0, "mi8_main_wheel_HRC", false};
    {"MAIN WHEELS_L", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi8_main_wheel_RoughMet_HRC", false};
    {"FRONT WHEELS",  0, "mi8_front_wheel_HRC", false};
    {"FRONT WHEELS",  ROUGHNESS_METALLIC,"mi8_front_wheel_RoughMet_HRC", false};
	{"mi_8_glass", 0, "mi_8_glass_HRC", false};
	
	{"pilot_MI8_body", 0 ,"pilot_MI8_PL_601_13_HRC",false};	
	{"pilot_MI8_02", 0, "pilot_mi8_02_HRC", false};
	
	{"mi-8_tex_3", 0, "mi_8_tex_3_HRC", false};
	{"mi-8_tex_3", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC, "mi_8_tex_3_RoughMet_HRC", false};
	{"rotors_opacity", 0, "mi_8_rotors_opa_HRC", false};
	{"rotors_opacity", ROUGHNESS_METALLIC, "mi_8_rotors_opa_RoughMet_HRC", false};
    
	
    
	
}
name = "USSR Afghanistan C Gunner"
name_ru = "CCCP Афганистан C"

countries = {"RUS"}

custom_args = { [1000] = 1.0, } --- Hide Harpoints Model


--- custom_args = 
--{
--	[457] = 1.0, -- EVU on
--}
*Remember that after choosing the livery in the mission editor you have to activate the
hardpoints checkbox and add the gunner in the loadout window. It should work.

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Old 03-06-2020, 11:22 AM   #8
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Thank you very much! Will try ASAP.

I look forward for you next skins!

Cheers,

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Old 03-06-2020, 02:05 PM   #9
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No problem. Please, let me know if it does finally work for you when you give it a try.
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Old 03-07-2020, 06:33 AM   #10
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No way to sort it out...

No matter, Grajo, I’ll be waiting until you upload your Afghan skins which I like very much!

Thank you!
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