raelias Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 We went through this with the Hornet.. same thing, we say it's crap, they say it's fine, maybe the brakes on the real plane are crap, I couldn't tell Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notso Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 btw.: the "m" in F10 map at elevation of Vaziani is uncorrect too, according to wikipedia. should be feet too. and: thanks for your efforts to sort those things out Yeah, that would be a REALLY LONG and REALLY high altitude runway. 7842 m would be almost a 26,000ft runway at 5000ft MSL. System HW: i9-9900K @5ghz, MSI 11GB RTX-2080-Ti Trio, G-Skill 32GB RAM, Reverb HMD, Steam VR, TM Warthog Hotas Stick & Throttle, TM F/A-18 Stick grip add-on, TM TFRP pedals. SW: 2.5.6 OB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVS-Viper Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Also check the throttle to ensure you are in fact at idle. When your throttle is at idle - what does your Engine RPM gauge read? If your RPM's are too high, your brakes will not stop you, and you will run out of runway. You should be below 70 RPM's at idle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macedk Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Also a point ...is wind affecting the jets enough ? I'll bet most people test at no wind. When we fly commercial sims wel almost always have real weather in (I do :) ) Wish we had real weather in this sim :) Both F-16 and F-18, to me, seems to have a hard time stopping. Granted I might have a part in it as well :) OS: Win10 home 64bit*MB: Asus Strix Z270F/ CPU: Intel I7 7700k /Ram:32gb_ddr4 GFX: Nvidia Asus 1080 8Gb Mon: Asus vg2448qe 24" Disk: SSD Stick: TM Warthog #1400/Saitek pro pedals/TIR5/TM MFDs [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher54321 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I believe it correlates to rl f-16. Just look at Oshkosh. Oshkosh would not be any kind of example really - the AIB report is fairly clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I believe it correlates to rl f-16. Just look at Oshkosh. Not even close. AL ANG bird landed long and a little hot due to canopy fogging and never had a chance. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Been landing the Viper and its a bugger to stop her from running off the end of the runway! I'm finding the wheel brakes need a little more power.. Am I the only one?:joystick: No you are not the only one. Same observation here! Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher54321 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Exactly. You can observe the same in DCS F-16. Approach hot and land at the mid of runway and you will end up in grass. Yeah nothing to do with what happened at Oshkosh - to quote: If not for the lack of visual and instrument references, the MP (Mishap Pilot) could have executed a proper aerobrake, come to a complete stop on the runway, and still had approximately 1000 ft of runway remaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher54321 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Everything to do with what happened in Oshkosh. Braking capability of that aircraft at Oshkosh was normal. The video is just an example what happens when you try to use bad landing and rollout technique. Yes, his bad landing and rollout technique was due visibility problem, but it doesn't really matter what's the cause. As I just told you - nothing to do with Oshkosh - how many times!! It is not relevant that the brakes were in working order - The guy couldn't see anything also had induced vertigo - he had thought about ejecting if it wasn't for the slight issue of the many people the jet might have ploughed into - he didn't know his speed or how far he was down the runway. Do you not understand that if he had landed normally he would have stopped 1000ft before the end of the runway and not gone off the end at 80kts. Regardless you cannot guess braking effectiveness from this in any way shape or form sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Airventure 2011 is the perfect example of what happens when you do not operate the aircraft as you should during landing. Regardless of the circumstances. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurgon Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Yesterday evening tests on a light aircraft on Batumi airfield ... at seal level, STD atmosphere, no wind, empty a/c. [...] Wow, thanks a lot for taking the time to do all that testing! :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesRothwell Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Not exactly scientific but I landed side by side with a Tomcat at Senaki (F16 was 1500lbs fuel and no weapons, not sure of the Tomcat), and the F14 was able to slow down and stop a considerable distance sooner than me. That doesn't seem right to me? I feel like my anti-skid isn't working and I am just locking up the wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle7907 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I don’t think it completely resolves your conclusions, but F-14 has spoilers, anti-skid brakes, and speed brake. F-16 just has speed brake, anti-skid brakes, and aero braking which only effective until the tail plane stalls. But I also think the friction values for the F-14 is based on the legacy DCS standard, where as the F-16 seems to be different and very easy to taxi using minimal thrust. That’s my observation between the two. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Win 10, AMD FX9590/water cooled, 32GB RAM, 250GB SSD system, 1TB SSD (DCS installed), 2TB HD, Warthog HOTAS, MFG rudders, Track IR 5, LG Ultrawide, Logitech Speakers w/sub, Fans, Case, cell phone, wallet, keys.....printer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzger Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Until what engine rpm the brakes should be able to hold you ? Right now it seems around 85% you start moving slowly even with holding the brakes, is that correct ? Sent from my Redmi 4 using Tapatalk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle7907 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Brakes a bit ineffective? Until what engine rpm the brakes should be able to hold you ? Right now it seems around 85% you start moving slowly even with holding the brakes, is that correct ? Sent from my Redmi 4 using Tapatalk I read on a certain source that 85% is the initial run up for TO either MIL or MAX. So, it shouldn’t move at all. Also note that sometimes the jet will make a slow right hand yaw during the run up. I think that has to do with the left brake problem. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Win 10, AMD FX9590/water cooled, 32GB RAM, 250GB SSD system, 1TB SSD (DCS installed), 2TB HD, Warthog HOTAS, MFG rudders, Track IR 5, LG Ultrawide, Logitech Speakers w/sub, Fans, Case, cell phone, wallet, keys.....printer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I think the run up percentage depends on which engine you’re running. It’s different for P&W than it is for GE. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle7907 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I think the run up percentage depends on which engine you’re running. It’s different for P&W than it is for GE. Oh you’re right. -129 engine is 90%. That’s even worse. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Win 10, AMD FX9590/water cooled, 32GB RAM, 250GB SSD system, 1TB SSD (DCS installed), 2TB HD, Warthog HOTAS, MFG rudders, Track IR 5, LG Ultrawide, Logitech Speakers w/sub, Fans, Case, cell phone, wallet, keys.....printer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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