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Old 09-01-2019, 10:14 PM   #1
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Here's the outcome of Der Bauer's survey ( in english ) about Ryzen 3000's Boost behavior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSoZAdk_E8

in short: AMD has no solution, neither have the board vendors


There is also a version in german, which I watched btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5DXbhD3h3A
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Old 09-02-2019, 09:35 AM   #2
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Im still waiting for my 3900X to arrive. Hope it will be one of those that can reach 4.6 Ghz :/
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:11 AM   #3
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It won't be long until we read "Class Action Lawsuit..."

AMD, you could have done better.


Somehow they always mess up the show with their own advertising strategy.
As Bauer says, there was no need to claim such unrealistic Boost Clocks, the CPU's are great the way they are and as such should have been advertised, what they ARE.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:45 AM   #4
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so what's the problem in a nutshell?
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Old 09-02-2019, 01:19 PM   #5
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so what's the problem in a nutshell?
That at least ~50% of all Ryzen 3600 that contributed to the survey did not reach their max Turbo clocks, with a test that was orchestrated by AMD on how to do it.

With 3600X, 3700X, 3800X and 3900X things got way way worse.

95% of those 3900X did NOT reach the ADVERTISED speed in a test that AMD put out.

In very short, all those customers actually have a right to give them back or ask for a refund/compensation etc.. depending on your nation's laws.


Watch the video, it's basically the nutshell video.
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Old 09-02-2019, 01:20 PM   #6
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Please someone explain me this "boost problem". I have a Ryzen 3600 and I'm seeing no issues at alll. It reaches its advertised boost frequency on all cores like it should.
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Old 09-02-2019, 01:54 PM   #7
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According the the video, many 3000 series Ryzens aren't quite hitting their advertised boosts. Most only trail by 100MHz or less but it's still unfortunate optics for AMD, unless they can counter with how they got their results and it's legitimate. It's not really the crisis some would make it out to be, they are still great chips and great value, but AMD would have been better off avoiding this.
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In a nut shell, is people being people, now a day. I got a 3600 and mine boost to 4192 on air using stock cooler without any issues. But people see it advertise to 4.2 boost and try to make something out of nothing.

To me is a great CPU, with very good price and this is just typical nonsense of now a day. Outrage people trying to find out what to be outrage about.
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Old 09-02-2019, 03:08 PM   #9
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Nobody said those are bad CPU's.

It's just that you have to keep what you advertise in most countries and it is not always 8MHz or 25MHz, there are CPU's trailing 100-200MHz behind. If I had a 3800X and it would run 25MHz slower than my buddies 3700X I'd be mad at AMD for letting this happen. What sense does the 3800X make if a good portion of 3700X run faster ?
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My 3900X has very good all core boost, I see 4.1-4.2 under small FFT stress testing and just about any other all core load I throw at it. This is well above the advertised 3.8ghz all core base clock.

However, single core, I get nowhere near the advertised 4.6ghz. With the latest BIOS I only get 4.2, and almost 4.4 if I use game mode (disable a CCX and go down to 6 cores).

There is hope though. I have been unable to run the older BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.2 due to a POST problem with those BIOS, but it has better boost behaviour. This weekend I found a user modified BIOS that took the latest Asus BIOS but reverted it back to 1.0.0.2, and it works in my system. The end result is I now get 4.4 consistently single core, with both CCX enabled.

I still have hope that AGESA 1.0.0.4 will rectify the issues... some hope.
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