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Old 08-30-2019, 11:49 AM   #11
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I don’t know where you get this info. But it’s incorrect. The F-16 stick input are based around force not stick movement. The stick does move a small amount, but that is more of a byproduct of the force being applied then anything else.
Yes I know, that's what I meant. Sorry I guess I worded my message poorly.
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Old 08-30-2019, 02:51 PM   #12
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I'm not being paid for this, but I do recommend the FSSB by Realsimulator. After time in an F-16C Full Mission Trainer (FMT), the FSSB feels just like the real thing.

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Old 08-30-2019, 03:29 PM   #13
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I'm not being paid for this, but I do recommend the FSSB by Realsimulator. After time in an F-16C Full Mission Trainer (FMT), the FSSB feels just like the real thing.

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Hi Wags,

Is this the thing you are talking about?

http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb_r3_lighting.html

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Old 08-30-2019, 03:32 PM   #14
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Is this the thing you are talking about?

http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb_r3_lighting.html

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Old 08-30-2019, 04:33 PM   #15
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I can’t say enough good things about the FSSB R3 base. If you want a force sensing base for joystick, this is the one. It uses the same connection socket as Thrustmaster and Virpil, so widespread compatibility with different joysticks is a plus.

Their new F-16 stick is also excellent. The hardware is top notched and is my current favorite stick. The only negative right now is the Bluetooth connection which is very picky and requires specific dongles to work flawlessly, but they’re making it such that users won’t need Bluetooth for full operation in the near future. The software side is still evolving and will need some more fine tuning, but will be fairly intuitive and powerful in the end.
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Having tested their products in 2003, and even featured on their website with using their rudder pedals back then, I agree, they are excellent quality.

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I'm not being paid for this, but I do recommend the FSSB by Realsimulator. After time in an F-16C Full Mission Trainer (FMT), the FSSB feels just like the real thing.

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Old 08-31-2019, 02:15 AM   #18
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I'm not being paid for this, but I do recommend the FSSB by Realsimulator. After time in an F-16C Full Mission Trainer (FMT), the FSSB feels just like the real thing.

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100% agree.... I have been using one for about a month now and it is simply awesome. So looking foreword to the Viper and using this setup...
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I don’t know where you get this info. But it’s incorrect. The F-16 stick input are based around force not stick movement. The stick does move a small amount, but that is more of a byproduct of the force being applied then anything else.
It’s not a byproduct of the force being applied. It is designed to move a specific amount.
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..didn’t realise the F16 was a side stick confit as opposed to centre ... would be interested to hear what the design/ergonomic/hmi benefits of the different configurations are - why is the f18 centre and f16 side?
I've flown planes with side and center sticks IRL and you get used to both versions very quickly.

In one of the most interesting books about the F/A-18 (and highly recommended), Hornet, the inside story of the F/A-18 by Orr Kelly, he mentions that they decided for the center stick because you can turn further to the left than with the stick mounted on the right side.
AFAIR that's one of the reasons for the towel racks in the F-16.

Btw, FBW doesn't have anything to do with it. The oldest plane with a side stick I flew was a simply GA plane which had been designed in the late 1950s.
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