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Old 09-18-2019, 03:23 PM   #11
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If they do model the hook, I wonder how many tread we will see about it not going all the way back up. The tail hook is extended by the same nitrogen accumulator that extends the Landing Gear in an emergency. But the actuator only goes one way (down with the hook) A spring raise the hook of the ground when there is no pressure on the actuator, but the only way to stow the hook is by manually raising it by ground crew. The hook also has a shear bolt, allowing the hook to sway left to right if needed. This normally has to be replaced after an barrier engagement.
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I found it interesting that they also use the hook when ground testing engines. I knew they tied it down but was unaware the hook was used in that test. Interesting that the F-15 and F-22s have the "standard" retractable ones like the Navy and marines use.

A nice little read on the hook:
https://flyingwithfish.boardingarea....ave-tailhooks/
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I found it interesting that they also use the hook when ground testing engines. I knew they tied it down but was unaware the hook was used in that test. Interesting that the F-15 and F-22s have the "standard" retractable ones like the Navy and marines use.

A nice little read on the hook:
https://flyingwithfish.boardingarea....ave-tailhooks/
In the F-117, you did not use the tail hook for maintenance runs. You had to used cables attached to the main landing gear.
This website also states:
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When a pilot deploys the hook a pneumatic system disengages the pin and thrusts the hook down, keeping the hook approximately eight inches from the ground to catch the raise arresting cable.
This is also incorrect.

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Many U.S. Air Force runways have an emergency arresting cable hidden in a recess of the runway surface. Should an aircraft suffer a hydraulic problem, brake failure, or need to abort a take off on a short runway, among other potential situations, a pilot will call “cable, cable, cable,” alerting the tower to raise the arresting cable from its runway recess.
This is not true either. Runways with the cable barrier, the barrier is there and there are warning how it can strike low aircraft like the F-16 if you go over the barrier going to fast. On some runways, the cable will get installed or removed depending of the direction of takeoff or landing to try to avoid cable strikes on aircraft. But the tower does not "raise" the cable what ever that means.
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This is not true either. Runways with the cable barrier, the barrier is there and there are warning how it can strike low aircraft like the F-16 if you go over the barrier going to fast. On some runways, the cable will get installed or removed depending of the direction of takeoff or landing to try to avoid cable strikes on aircraft. But the tower does not "raise" the cable what ever that means.
There are variations around where the tower can control the height position of the cable. Stowed position and up position for landings.
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The F-5 has the hook and can be landed on the carrier. I don't know if they will model it with the F-16 or not.

I hope they do, I'd love to attempt a few carrier landings.
Geeeze...You Air Force guys need to stay away from our Navy Carriers...We don’t really need a bunch of burning airframes cluttering our deck.
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There are variations around where the tower can control the height position of the cable. Stowed position and up position for landings.
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Learn something every day, never saw that.
absolutely. I'm learning more about this topic then I thought there was. Good info.
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Geeeze...You Air Force guys need to stay away from our Navy Carriers...We don’t really need a bunch of burning airframes cluttering our deck.
Speaking of carrier decks, it would be cool to add the safety barrier to our ships. If they model the tail hook on the 16 with no real purpose for DCS, the the catch net would be no problem (I kid).
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Old 09-18-2019, 05:08 PM   #20
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Yes it will be there (Wags confirmed if you pay attention or watch his academic videos released so far for the Viper). As others have stated - the Viper would disintegrate upon the wheels touching down / hook grabbing arresting cable.

And correctly pointed that if by some miracle that didn't happen - it would never fly again. If you managed to land it on the carrier, and grab a cable - then do subsequent repairs - how do you plan on getting back off the deck? No launch bar.

There are several threads about this nonsense already, let's use the search feature rather than create a bunch more fantasy threads.


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