brianacooper11 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 So, first off, the flight model is not part of the balance between speed and level of detail. There will only be one flight model, a high fidelity EFM. Ever. Period. I'm principally talking about the AI, the effects of battle damage on certain systems beyond on/off, air conditioning, nuclear blast shields, etc. I don't want those types of things holding up the first release. Most of those things I listed will be free upgrades. But the AI I intend is going to require so much effort that either we bake the cost into the module up front, or we charge for an upgrade later. To keep the moderators happy, again this is all supposition until we get a license. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger1-1 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I would prefer paying more up front, then having different versions( pay to win kinda) fly around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianacooper11 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Anyone else care to voice their opinion on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flanker1 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I would prefer paying more up front, then having different versions( pay to win kinda) fly around. +1 that will give you also support and good "feeling" of what you re doing. . . looking forward to fly this beauty in dcs on day!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Up front sounds better to me Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeno426 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 While I prefer upfront myself, I would be careful about taking the comments of a few people on the forums; you'll be getting a very biased sample (only people registered and active on the English forums) rather than a good idea of how many people would pay the larger up-front cost vs people paying the smaller upfront cost and then paying more later to get the "better" version. Given how disgustingly successful free to play games are, I'd be more inclined to think the latter would net more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook47 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I can honestly say I would rather just pay something up front for any release, as a third party product, than get a free deal and then pay for other features later. I don't think the latter is as practical and even if what you intitially release is FC3 level I would still gladly pay a fair price for that. Even though full fedility is my favorite, I would like to see more FC3 level aircraft explored particularly by a 3rd party (which would be a first) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I've already hinted, but I'd only pay for a full fidelity module, and after being burnt with a couple of other WIP DCS modules, I'd also be waiting until the module was actually released and the features are out in the wild. FWIW, asking that question on here is going to recieve biased answers. Previous similiar threads have shown forum goes are pretty much heavily in favour of full fat modules. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 U think this is really the only place it has been announced and he has someone announcing this in the Russian thread for ed. So really his clientele base is solely here in the forums so saying that it is biased is not true. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 U think this is really the only place it has been announced and he has someone announcing this in the Russian thread for ed. So really his clientele base is solely here in the forums so saying that it is biased is not true. That's not what I wrote at all. Go and re-read please. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sryan Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Brian, I'm happy to see that the project is still ongoing! I've had fun for days with your earlier Tu-22M mod for the Su-25T. This is my most anticipated module on the long term. As for the business plan, I'd rather pay upfront for all features, or atleast have the option for a 'premium version' that will see all updates included. It might be worth to check if it's worth it in the long term to maintain multiple versions of the Tu-22M for your customers who have different versions or perhaps even different combinations of paid upgrades. All we have for reference is the Black Shark 1 to Black shark 2 upgrade wich has been problematic for many, and ED did not even have to update BS1. I might be looking to far into the future, but would it not be an alternative to recuperate the costs of developing the AI by implementing it on other modules you might want to develop as well such as possibly the Su-24,B-1B, F-111 or a tornado, or to license it to other devs? I know some people are hesistant, but it would be a day one purchase for me. I know some modules are struggling through their early acces period, but we also have the mirage wich is an excellent example of progressing through early access. So far I have good faith in the work you've shown! Check my F-15C guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperwolfpk5 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 IMO you should give two options. One that is discounted full price(Like current modules are) so the future upgrades will be free and 2nd option you sell initial module with less amount and future upgrades will need to be purchased. In that way some people will prefer to buy full module rather paying for future upgrades and you will get some money to invest in future upgrades Win10, Intel 3rd Gen. Core i7 3.8Ghz, 20GB ram, Nvidia Geforce 1060 6GB Opentrack (Download it from HERE), PS3 Eye, Saitek x52-pro Joystick, DIY Rudder Pedals, Google Cardboard with DCS World English is not my native language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmidtfire Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 This is without a doubt a huge first project you are undertaking. I hope to see a bomber within DCS, no doubt. But I consider this a mod until you guys have been granted a 3rd party license. Discussing business and payment-structure at this time will only get people more invested in something that might not happen. ED (probably) also have a big say on this matter. Talk to them first. A lot of projects get started and a very few get 3rd party status and finish their projects. I however wish the team best of luck in obtaining a license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodrigues2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 great choice if i were at the head of the project i would use "code reuse" and this project would be....a "walk in the park". [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ---- " In Peace.....Prepare to War "-------- Wishlist : F-4 Phantom / F-20 TigerShark / Su-34 Processor Core i7 4790, 32 Gb RAM, 2 Tb SSHD, GTX 750 2Gb, 1920X1080 Gaming Monitor, Senze Joypad, Windows 8.1 Pro 64Bit, VMware Workstation 12 for WindowsXP with Office 2007 and Linux OpenSUSE for Net Access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'd pay upfront for it as I have every other module I've wanted. If you take "early access" into consideration, I'll be buying the Hornet, I bought the F-5, I bought the F-86 etc etc etc. It may be important to see how many people are actually interested by putting money on it rather than facing the reality later of the "oh I'll buy it" crowd that never does. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESAc_matador Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I bougth all modules. I ll by this. I only missed the hawck, because I had C101 and l39. Better to put full price, for full comitment from your side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 if you let your customers run your business they will run you out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESAc_matador Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 if you let your customers run your business they will run you out of business. Hahaha great!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianacooper11 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 if you let your customers run your business they will run you out of business. I respectfully disagree with the spirit of that. It is true, I probably know the nuts and bolts of the project better than the customer, and will listen to myself on the details. But as regards to features, payment, and what the customer feels like he gets for his money, 'the customer is always right'. I'm American. It's the 11th Commandment from God. This project is a niche within a niche within a niche. Costs are relatively high, and customers few. It makes no sense to do marketing studies, touch base with a few preferred customers (we don't have any), and deliver a product that we 'think' will make everyone happy. A closer conversation between us (Black Cat) and you (potential, post-Third Party License customer) is called for, and I've chosen to do that on this forum. I can't go find every potential customer and ask them what they want. But for those who are here, on this forum, you can bend this developer's ear, and he will consider what you all say in aggregate. This will be YOUR airplane. I will probably be quiet until we are close to submitting information to ED for third party status. But if you have a question feel free. I watch this thread. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESAc_matador Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Is it true the rumour, that the beta release will be in two weeks?! :music_whistling::lol::lol::lol: Kidding! We will be waiting for the good news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnelli Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Do you have a rough estimation about how long it will take until you are able to submit these information and getting clearence in this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikko Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just out of curiosity- is your paypal donation link down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DArtistExtreme Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) Hey guys it`s been a while that you`ve heard from me (for the last month) :) That`s because me and Dmitry has been working on Tu-134 for a Russian movie, Dmitry is currently texturing the model and I have to say that model looks insane with his textures! He`ll show some screens when he`s done :) Currently I`m done with modeling and moving on modeling TU-22M3 starting with Langing gear, so await screens soon :) P.S. Here you can see WIP of the Tu-134 that I`ve modeled based on the reference model and huge amount of ref photo`s (plz remember it`s a movie model and not the game one): http://imgur.com/a/e8YDi Edited November 2, 2016 by 3DArtistExtreme -=3DArtistExtreme=- Modeling/UV mapping/Lighting/Shading/Texturing 3D Portfolio http://www.oleg-kovalev.com FlyingIron Simulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjetster1 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Excellent!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Hey guys it`s been a while that you`ve heard from me (for the last month) :) That`s because me and Dmitry has been working on Tu-134 for a Russian movie, Dmitry is currently texturing the model and I have to say that model looks insane with his textures! He`ll show some screens when he`s done :) Currently I`m done with modeling and moving on modeling TU-22M3 starting with Langing gear, so await screens soon :) P.S. Here you can see WIP of the Tu-134 that I`ve modeled based on the reference model and huge amount of ref photo`s (plz remember it`s a movie model and not the game one): http://imgur.com/a/e8YDi That-134 look spectacular, not bad if you can "convert" on a DCS: W Module :music_whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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