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Old 06-15-2019, 10:48 PM   #491
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Same thing otherwise, A-10C having lock through trees or past buildings.
I haven't checked for a while, but while before release it did exactly that, at release it didn't - what it used to do at release (but might not now) was emulate a system that generated a track & if it lost lock (behind a building or tree) it would continue to track that path and speed, and if within some time period it found the object back in its view (because it re-appeared), would pick up the lock again.
If the tracked object changed direction or speed while out of sight, it would lose the target.
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Old 06-15-2019, 10:54 PM   #492
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It is interesting that no one is bringing up the fact that the Igla was marketed as an option for the Ka-50... so it might not have been done, but the capacity was planned/considered/offered.

There are even some relatively credible reports that a version was offered with the RVV-AE/R-77 (albeit with a completely new cockpit/nose-section). So, the idea of wiring in an Igla seems pretty tame to me.

The thing that is controversial in my mind is having a third set of hardpoints! That is really sketchy!
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Old 06-15-2019, 10:55 PM   #493
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"Aviation and Cosmonautics 2015 09" in the article "History of the Black Shark through the eyes of creators". ("Авиация и космонавтика 2015 09", "История Черной Акулы глазами создателей").

"Генеральный предположил, что в этих условиях необходимо модернизировать объектовую ПВО, одним из важных элементов которой мог бы стать вертолет-перехватчик. Задачей такой машины было бы оперативное реагирование на возникающую угрозу со стороны «нетрадиционных» средств воздушного нападения и уничтожение целей, применение по которым зенитно-ракетных систем и истребителей неоправданно или технически невозможно.

В этом качестве фирма «Камов» предлагала использовать истребитель Ка-50. Такой перехватчик предполагалось оснастить исключительно серийно производящимися системами. В качестве средства обнаружения воздушных целей должна была быть установлена БРЛС «Копье», разработанная и внедренная в серию ОАО «Фазотрон-НИИР», и оптико-электронная прицельная система ОАО «Геофизика-АРТ», аналогичная устанавливаемой на различных модификациях истребителей Су-27. В качестве средства поражения предлагалось использовать управляемые ракеты Р-77 класса «воздух–воздух», пусковые установки ПЗРК «Игла», а также перспективный многоцелевой комплекс управляемого оружия «Гермес» Тульского ПКБ. Вертолет-перехватчик с помощью 30-мм пушки 2А42 мог бы эффективно бороться с «нетрадиционными» средствами воздушного нападения, к которым С.В. Михеев отнес в первую очередь БПЛА, легкомоторные самолеты, парапланы и мотодельтапланы.

В письме особо обращалось внимание на то, что новый комплекс «Акулы» построен по схеме открытой архитектуры, что позволяло достаточно легко интегрировать вертолет-перехватчик в единое информационное поле противовоздушной обороны страны. Это обеспечивало оперативный взлет и вывод в район встречи с целью вертолета-перехватчика, а, следовательно, сокращало время реакции ПВО на возникшую воздушную угрозу. Немаловажным обстоятельством была возможность сопряжения БРЭО Ка-50 с потоком информации от самолетов дальнего радиолокационного обнаружения А-50 и проходивших в то время испытания вертолетов радиолокационного дозора Ка-35."
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t is interesting that no one is bringing up the fact that the Igla was marketed as an option for the Ka-50... so it might not have been done, but the capacity was planned/considered/offered.
Yes, lets not encourage more fantasy aircraft eh ?
Sukhoi offered a variety of AESA radars for foreign buyers of the Su-27/30/xx, but didn't field them.
Oh no - now we'll have 50 pages of request for EASA radar on Su-27 :
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Well... why not have some 4th or 5th generation lower-fidelity models as an option for those who want them?

The only time the Su-27 fired missiles in anger was an Ethiopian aircraft... does this mean that we shouldn't shoot air-to-air missiles from the Su-27 in any other theatre? The simulation inherently involves counter-factual scenarios which didn't happen...

Also, should nothing which is partially classified be modelled? Or can a few systems be partly made-up or left out entirely? Because if we require that all systems be modelled fully then we're talking about aircraft from the 1950s only...

What I'm saying, is there is a spectrum in the degree of how speculative the simulation is... there will always be speculation - the question is how much.

I for one am still a tiny bit annoyed that the "Su-39" with a Kopyo radar pod that ED made was never released to the public...
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Old 06-16-2019, 11:34 AM   #496
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Since such a desicion went, can it have FLIR from Ka-50N / Ш?

None. There is absolutely no information on it.
There is absolutely no information on the third pylon, either...
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There is absolutely no information on the third pylon, either...
Yes, i know. Thats why its called ka50ED
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I haven't checked for a while, but while before release it did exactly that, at release it didn't - what it used to do at release (but might not now) was emulate a system that generated a track & if it lost lock (behind a building or tree) it would continue to track that path and speed, and if within some time period it found the object back in its view (because it re-appeared), would pick up the lock again.
If the tracked object changed direction or speed while out of sight, it would lose the target.
Yes the Shkval does that for 3 seconds, but I am talking about target moving on road inside forest, fully blocked, going in curves etc and TPG tracking perfectly.

Same with Su25T, autolocking target inside a forest etc...

I tested that A-10C in 2.5.3 version as I was not been flying out for a while and was surprised that was all there, like in 1.5 and 1.2.
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It is interesting that no one is bringing up the fact that the Igla was marketed as an option for the Ka-50... so it might not have been done, but the capacity was planned/considered/offered.

There are even some relatively credible reports that a version was offered with the RVV-AE/R-77 (albeit with a completely new cockpit/nose-section). So, the idea of wiring in an Igla seems pretty tame to me.

The thing that is controversial in my mind is having a third set of hardpoints! That is really sketchy!
Check my posts about the questioning of the cockpit avionics etc.
We have A-A weapons stations selector in the hat, now as double for Vikhr targeting mode programming button A-A mode.
And we have odd translation for jettison A-A ordinance separated from Vikhr or others.
We as well have R-73 mounted on KA-50-2 and there is even photo of KA-50 having R-73 on ground under inner pylon.
There is mentions about IGLAs as third option for weapons, always carried next to Vikhr and rockets.

Many things does not make sense in the cockpit (something that some people takes as a sign that it is a dream for third pylon or demand for something that ain't confirmed) and that requires clarification from Kamov.

For a decade we had people saying that our KA-50 #25 was only a prototype, and doesn't have President-S or A-A weapons. While we had all in the cockpit, labeled "not implemented" or "no function".
And what we know from Kamov is that our #25 was to be upgraded to serial production standard, that ED didn't have back then when making Black Shark module in first place.

There is as well arguments that KA-50 can't launch big missiles like R-73 because it would cause gas problem with engine inlets.
Well, explain then what does a Kh-25 missile do there or S-8 or S-10 rocket pods firing all at once?
How about the huge double rotors above the engines, pushing all fresh air from top to below, on the engines?

So KA-50 can launch huge A-G missile, but not smaller A-A missile? Okay....

Personally I don't care at all about IGLAs or R-73 or third pylons. I want just the Shkval fixed and Vikhr fixed. As the Vikhr is more dangerous missile to anything else as it can intercept you as long you fly low and below Mach 1.2. and you can not counter or by any other means than radical maneuvering (meaning you can't attack at anything or concentrate on anything else) and KA-50 has 12 of those missiles to waste, not 2 or 4.

I want to know that what is the logic in the ka-50 engineers when they were designing the cockpit. What were changed for the serial production and how.
As our KA-50 #25 is from time before the production order.
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Yes, lets not encourage more fantasy aircraft eh ?
Sukhoi offered a variety of AESA radars for foreign buyers of the Su-27/30/xx, but didn't field them.
Oh no - now we'll have 50 pages of request for EASA radar on Su-27 :
Su-30 is a Su-27... Same with Su-35 etc. All are Su-27 export names.
Our Su-27 is the very first serial production version, Su-27S. Everything else is just an upgrade, a big upgrade to it....

The IGLA has been offered as weapons load for various KA-50 versions, even presented in the airshow procedures.

It is not fantasy, but it is not confirmed either.

If the ka-50 can carry it, it should be there. If not, then not. But it is again question about wiring, not about politics or training.
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