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Old 06-19-2019, 02:44 PM   #121
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Default Although MiG-29 is difficult to land, it is not at a level that I can not understand.

I also hvae the some the other dcs modues which is that F-14, F-18, A-10, MIG-15, MIRAGE 2000 ...

Although the MiG-29 is difficult to land, it is not at a level that I can not understand.
Among the games I have played, the most difficult of landing is falcon 4.0.
If you want to discuss bouncing at touchdown, play this game and you will know.


My MiG-29 landing video, It is below that.
https://youtu.be/VcXTVmHJwZU


My joystick some setup.
Deadzone 3, curve + 20 (AILERON, ELEVATOR, RUDDER)


APPROACH SPEED: 290 KM/H
TOUCH DOWN: 270 KM/H


Before approach, I trimmed the elevator up to 11 clickes.

I almost trying on the approch:
Maintain the 10 degrees AOA and the glide path 2.5 ~ 3.0 degrees.

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Old 06-19-2019, 03:51 PM   #122
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Before approach the 11 click up trimmed.
Maintain the 10 degree AOA and the glide path 2.5 ~ 3.0 degree.
On the RW video the average AoA on final is a much lower 7.5°. 10° seems to be a bit high/slow since the touchdown AoA occurs at 10°.

Noticed in your video that, although you said that you trimmed for 11° AoA, you were never in trim and even needed to apply back pressure already above 7° AoA.

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Old 06-19-2019, 03:53 PM   #123
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Those, who didn't fly the plane in a while, should try it again now.
I'd love to, but unfortunately I don't have access to my DCS PC until the weekend
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Old 06-19-2019, 04:14 PM   #124
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Old 06-20-2019, 01:27 AM   #125
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That "Day at 23 Tactical Air base vid - the landing starting at 06:01 - the pilot bounces 3 times into the air before sticking it.
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Old 06-20-2019, 03:24 AM   #126
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On the RW video the average AoA on final is a much lower 7.5°. 10° seems to be a bit high/slow since the touchdown AoA occurs at 10°.

Noticed in your video that, although you said that you trimmed for 11° AoA, you were never in trim and even needed to apply back pressure already above 7° AoA.

Thank you for your advice.
I'm sorry, but my sentence is not perfect, so there is a misunderstanding.
My trimmed is elevator up to 11 clickes, not for 11° AoA.
I tried my best to keep 10 degrees aoa during landing approach, but it is not perfect.


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Old 06-20-2019, 05:58 AM   #127
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I tried my best to keep 10 degrees aoa during landing approach,
And, I attached the real world Mig-29 approach the shot.
You are making your flying unnecessary difficult if you are not in trim.

The screenshot you posted shows neither the approach, nor the average (7.5°) AoA during the approach
It shows the moment as he flattens the approach and starts the speed reduction.

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Old 06-20-2019, 06:47 AM   #128
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You are making your flying unnecessary difficult if you are not in trim.

The screenshot you posted shows neither the approach, nor the average (7.5°) AoA during the approach
It shows the moment as he flattens the approach and starts the speed reduction.
Landing has its own style for every pilot.
Trim is also the same.

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Old 06-20-2019, 07:25 PM   #129
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Thought I had touched down once at 250 km/hr but now I wonder. At any rate, the best I can do now is 260. Been awhile since I’ve been in this pit. I should have known better than to touch the trim around the inner marker. Had to compensate the rest of the way in. But, anyway...



Might have a bit of time this weekend to try again.
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Old 06-21-2019, 03:58 AM   #130
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Thought I had touched down once at 250 km/hr but now I wonder. At any rate, the best I can do now is 260. Been awhile since I’ve been in this pit. I should have known better than to touch the trim around the inner marker. Had to compensate the rest of the way in. But, anyway...
The approach AoA and touchdown are identical to the RW values. So it's either the weight or the FM that's a tiny bit off.
Concerning the trim; Is this the latest beta? If so, since the reverse ground effect has reportedly been fixed (haven't tried myself), there should be no more need to re-trim before the flare.
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