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Old 11-06-2019, 06:57 PM   #1951
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So let me talk about my favorite plane the Fw190 ...
No it's a joke

Real question about the P47.

It was quite common to have the plane carrying extra ammo or sometimes only 6 or 4 guns to be lighter. As the other module now don't have the possibility to "drop" a gun or set the ammo for one gun in particular to zero. Will it be implemented for the P47 ?

And if yes, will it be implemented for all the other warbirds ?
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:16 PM   #1952
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Taking off 1-2 guns won't take much weight off the Jug. It weighs as much as some bombers. Even if the weight does come off the wings. The old gal is pretty plump.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:56 PM   #1953
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With a boom-n-zoomer you’ll want all 8 guns anyways... you wanna hit them hard and fast and start your zoom climb.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:30 PM   #1954
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With a boom-n-zoomer you’ll want all 8 guns anyways... you wanna hit them hard and fast and start your zoom climb.
yeah for sure. and if i wanted a plane with only 6 50s i would fly the pony
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Old 11-11-2019, 04:30 PM   #1955
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NEVER, have I EVER heard of guns being removed from a P-47 in the combat zones. The 8 fifties were one of the planes biggest assets. Why the Hell would anyone do that?
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:01 PM   #1956
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NEVER, have I EVER heard of guns being removed from a P-47 in the combat zones. The 8 fifties were one of the planes biggest assets. Why the Hell would anyone do that?
Esports, air quake.

those 8 fifties will be lovely in ground and train smashing for me anyway
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:04 AM   #1957
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If the .50s in the P4D7 perform anything like the .50s in the P51D then they are not going to be very good.
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:29 AM   #1958
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If the .50s in the P4D7 perform anything like the .50s in the P51D then they are not going to be very good.
I have varying results - sometimes I pepper a guy for ages and nowt much seems to happen, others a single solid burst can cause a catastrophic failure.

Much depends on convergence, and concentrating a large number of shots in a focused area.

Having said that, that is the realistic compromise of a heavy machine gun round vs a cannon, you sacrifice stopping power of an individual shell for a combination of rate of fire/combined weight of fire.

However that requires the pilot to be able to land enough rounds in a given small area that allows the rate/weight concentration to be effective. This requires a good understanding of your convergence pattern, where it is most effective, what the target should look like depending on aspect when it's at convergence range, how adjust your aim for when the target is not at optimum convergence range and then top that off with calculating the correct lead for the targets aspect.

There is a famous gun camera film of a P-47 saddled behind a Fw-190, apparently wounded/damaged as the pilot makes no attempt to evade, and we see the Jug bobbing around well under convergence range unable to stabilise for a good shot but firing nonetheless and predictably he ends up peppering but not getting any concentrated bursts on the 190. None of these individual hits seems to cause much apparent damage, certainly not enough to bring the 190 down.

On the flip side you see footage of Fw-190s and 109s attacked that look far better set up for the convergence range which suffer catastrophic damage when a concentrated pattern of fire can be sustained during a good tracking shot.

I think the new damage model will help somewhat but I also suspect you're over endowing the .50s capabilities on a single hit basis.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:13 PM   #1959
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NEVER, have I EVER heard of guns being removed from a P-47 in the combat zones. The 8 fifties were one of the planes biggest assets. Why the Hell would anyone do that?

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Taking off 1-2 guns won't take much weight off the Jug. It weighs as much as some bombers. Even if the weight does come off the wings. The old gal is pretty plump.

There was multiple set for the armement.
Heard about US planes with less gun but more ammo per gun for long flight.
Heard about some with a switch added as field modification. Pilots have the ability to shoot all guns, or to shut down 4 of them to save their ammo for later. (heard about that for lot of different US fighter planes).
Heard again about training squadron that used only 4 guns (but maybe not somthing that interrest lot of people).

But as I didn't read lot of books about US P47 pilots, I didn't have precise information about this. But as I'm more interrested for campaign and realist mission than going on burning skies for only quick dogfight, I think it could be a great feature for this plane (and maybe more).

It's a dream, but DCS would became a lovely WW2 sim if we had a complete gun managment (choice of the gun and their number, choice of the ammo, choice of the convergence of each guns ...)


This image had as legend : training P47 with only 4 guns.
http://368thfightergroup.com/P-47-armament.html
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:33 PM   #1960
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Yes, it was a common practice in training squadrons in the States. That's why I made sure that I put "combat zones" in my post.
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