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Old 06-17-2017, 05:29 PM   #201
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I totally agree with you asla36.
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Old 06-18-2017, 10:12 AM   #202
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If we were to get the MiG-19p and s, any possibility of an additional MiG-19pm in an even farther future? I know I'm just asking and asking for moar, MOAR MiG-19!

I wouldn't imagine that making 3 variants would be too difficult. Maybe as difficult as adding the radar variant of the AV-8B? The avionics of that time would be much simpler, but I'm probably asking fot too much.

Anyways 2 variants will be more than enough for me, and if we were to get 2, I would prefer the option you have chosen. The MiG-19s would offer a lighter missile-less aircraft for dogfighting, and the MiG-19p would offer a bit heavier all weather interceptor for sneaking and IR-ing in the mountains. And if we were to only get one, i would prefer the MiG-19p for it's bigger array of ordinance and all-weather capabilities.

So in short, I like the way you decided to do things. Thanks for bringing such an awesome bird to life in DCS!
AFAIK no one confirmed the "S" variant.
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Old 06-18-2017, 11:28 AM   #203
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AFAIK no one confirmed the "S" variant.
Correct.

They're doing a P.

They might do a S as well. Personally, considering the time taken to bring a module to DCS and the issues with teams trying to bring more than one variant in at once, I'm just going to assume they're doing the P and only the P.
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Old 06-18-2017, 09:16 PM   #204
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So glad this forgotten jet is being made. No one ever really talks about it since it's the transition between two iconic soviet fighters: the MiG-15 and 21. F-5s will have a tough time turnfighting this thing once it gets released.

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If we were to get the MiG-19p and s, any possibility of an additional MiG-19pm in an even farther future? I know I'm just asking and asking for moar, MOAR MiG-19!

I wouldn't imagine that making 3 variants would be too difficult. Maybe as difficult as adding the radar variant of the AV-8B? The avionics of that time would be much simpler, but I'm probably asking fot too much.

Anyways 2 variants will be more than enough for me, and if we were to get 2, I would prefer the option you have chosen. The MiG-19s would offer a lighter missile-less aircraft for dogfighting, and the MiG-19p would offer a bit heavier all weather interceptor for sneaking and IR-ing in the mountains. And if we were to only get one, i would prefer the MiG-19p for it's bigger array of ordinance and all-weather capabilities.

So in short, I like the way you decided to do things. Thanks for bringing such an awesome bird to life in DCS!
Definitely would like to have more variants if it isn't too much to ask. You know what they say, the more the merrier!


Found some cool photos and thought I'd share them here :

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MiG-19 aerial refueling through the wingtip.



MiG-19 SM-12 prototype (it's not a MiG-21). Almost like the 19 and 21 had a baby.













Here's a link if you want to read more about it

http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/mig_sm-12.php

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Old 06-19-2017, 08:42 AM   #205
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The best action in all circumstances: set your hopes as low as possible, so that you will be even more pleasantly surprised, or disappointed less, at what comes out in the end.

Though keeping expectations low with your amazing work really is hard, I will try and be even more blown away with the result!

This is just nit-picking, but note that i said: "If we were to get the MiG-19p and s," not, "when we get the MiG-19p and s." Like I said, just nit-picking. Sorry if I sounded too sure of that, time will tell if we get one or two of these awesome birds.

Those definitely are cool photos, thanks for sharing, ALQaholic!
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Old 06-19-2017, 07:44 PM   #206
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Up to now, only MiG-19P.

Regarding the S I was thinking that it would be cool to have the best performing (and known) variant and a very powerful gunfighter, but those are only my thoughts. We have to see the possibility once the P is finished.

I know that many of you like the PM, but you need to understand that with that variant you will be restricted to only 4 underperforming missiles. No AG, no guns, it´s a very limited aircraft.
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Old 06-20-2017, 12:24 AM   #207
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If we get another variant in addition to the MiG-19P, it should be the MiG-19SF since it is the same plane as the MiG-19S but with a better engine. According to this article (http://www.airvectors.net/avmig15_3.html) the MiG-19SF had 10% more dry thrust than the S version and a better afterburner system. Also the MiG-19PM is more of a gimmick plane than anything else.

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Old 06-20-2017, 01:01 AM   #208
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it makes a certain awful kind of sense because we get the souped up versions for every other aircraft in dcs, but the 19sf is not the 19s and j-6 involved in combat action.
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Old 06-20-2017, 06:21 AM   #209
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Up to now, only MiG-19P.

Regarding the S I was thinking that it would be cool to have the best performing (and known) variant and a very powerful gunfighter, but those are only my thoughts. We have to see the possibility once the P is finished.

I know that many of you like the PM, but you need to understand that with that variant you will be restricted to only 4 underperforming missiles. No AG, no guns, it´s a very limited aircraft.
Ok, good to have it cleared up!

So we are getting the most desirable variant, at least for me, of an awesome aircraft. With the very small added possibility of getting a, better in BFM but less well rounded, variant as a bonus in the future. Sounds great to me!
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Old 06-20-2017, 11:32 PM   #210
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No AG
Actually, it could use its missiles in AG mode, a fun fact that little know. Not that it would be any accurate, but it worked.

System wise, it shouldn't be that different from P either.

But hey, it's a lot of work either way, I understand that ^^ keep up the good work, you guys are doing a really good job bringing this bird to life.
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