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Old 12-02-2019, 10:19 PM   #51
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Im joking people are panicking already its funny.
I predicted wailing and lamentations of the fighter-bros... I am enjoying the salty pre-tears...

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Double work. Just wait till ED fixes his own 120. Not everybody plays competitive MP.
Yeah, but they whine the most

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Wikipedia is a horrible source to use and is not reliable in the slightest.
Well, if you go check out the sources given, you'll come to the conclusion that a lot of books must be horrible sources as well. Here's one of the best examples of how good books can be as a source of information. It's always been the case that someone wrote off of someone else, and in that regard, wikipedia is nothing else than just another book, simply none you can hold in your hands.
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Wikipedia is a horrible source to use and is not reliable in the slightest. However, for the record, it says that the 120C-5 has a range of greater than 57nm, which can mean anything over 57 nm, not 57nm exactly.
Yes but this is the same number deka said - 60 miles no ? They also give 120km for the 27ET and 130 to ER. And what those numbers means ? What shoot parameters ? What closure rate ? Altitude ? Weather ? All parties should agree on the same standard otherwise they can model whatever they want and claim some nonsense number. Next 3rd party will model mig23 and hey we have ultra good sources those r-24 can hit target at 50 miles we make it that way ed fix the rest to match.

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Well it may speed up EDs 120 rework if people moan so win win I guess. In the meanwhile we get to play around with the guessworked SD-10 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Yeah that's my hope too that with third parties using more realistic drag values it will highlight how bad ED missiles are. The 120 in-game needs not only a drag reduction but optimal control, smaller vgate, and better chaff resistance, oh and a lofting code that doesn't kill its speeds at the top of the loft and will actually work most of the time.
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Old 12-03-2019, 01:11 AM   #57
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With missiles so similar wouldn't it be possible to calculate within reason which should have the longest range? i.e. not the exact range, just which should go the longest based on the rocket motors specific impulse and the drag of the missile.

The AIM-120C for example is a lot less draggy than the SD10, whilst being lighter at the same time, so it wouldn't need as powerful a motor to achieve the same range.
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With missiles so similar wouldn't it be possible to calculate within reason which should have the longest range? i.e. not the exact range, just which should go the longest based on the rocket motors specific impulse and the drag of the missile.

The AIM-120C for example is a lot less draggy than the SD10, whilst being lighter at the same time, so it wouldn't need as powerful a motor to achieve the same range.
Well, that's assuming they have the same "E" or that the motor is capable of producing the same ISP... Or equal performance of propellant and so forth. As you might recall from your basic gas dynamics and rocket nozzle design courses back in high school, nozzle design and efficiency is quite altitude/pressure specific.
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With missiles so similar wouldn't it be possible to calculate within reason which should have the longest range? i.e. not the exact range, just which should go the longest based on the rocket motors specific impulse and the drag of the missile.

The AIM-120C for example is a lot less draggy than the SD10, whilst being lighter at the same time, so it wouldn't need as powerful a motor to achieve the same range.
hmm hard to say if the 120 is less draggy as I understand it the SD10 is smaller/skinnier than the 120 so in theory it should have less drag? It depends on the dimensions, nose cone shape, and how draggy the fins end up being.
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as I understand it the SD10 is smaller/skinnier than the 120


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-12#SD-10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM
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