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Old 10-10-2019, 08:07 PM   #41
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Three years later hoping to revive a dead thread. I'm working my way through the AFT lessons and everything has been going relatively smoothly. After cracking the night refueling I felt I could do anything! Until Mission 5. I can't pass the flares mission. I've taken all the advice listed here and on Recon Stewart's video page, but I keep failing and I don't know why.

I often get Check the target" from the FE even though the flares are visible directly over the target. I hold the weapon release button for three seconds. I've tried it at 6000, 5700, 5400, 5200, and 3200 feet. I've had the "Check your altitude" warning at anything above 6000, but also at 5200. No warnings at lower altitudes, not even one saying I broke the Hard Deck limit at 3200. I'm dropping in pairs and when I circle back I can see the flares right on target. Any thoughts if anyone is still listening?
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:27 PM   #42
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It looks like you are doing everything correctly but without a trk file to watch it's hard to say. Have you tried dropping when directly over the target? The flares tend to drop straight down so dropping them earlier might put them outside the trigger zone. Do you hear the pilot say "2 away" when the flares drop? If not then try holding the pickle button down longer.

You could also try a DCS Repair. That's corrected trigger issues for others in the past.

Does it happen in both the campaign and practice missions or just one of the them?

We will retest the missions and see if we can reproduce it.

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Old 10-11-2019, 06:09 PM   #43
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Thanks for the quick reply. I've had this happen in both the practice and qualifying missions. The best I've managed is to get an acknowledgement of two targets seen in one mission, but the parameters were the same in all three target passes.

I do hear the "2 away" call, usually followed by either "Check the target area" or "Check your altitude."

I can see the targets clearly from the cockpit when I circle back, and Tacview shows the flares drifting down right on top of the targets, though the initial drop shows the flares released before I'm over the target so maybe that's the problem. I'll try releasing them a little later than the CCRP suggests.

Come to think of it, I've usually only had success when I pickle twice over the target, so maybe it's the 2nd set of flares that's activating the trigger and the first drop is too early. I'll go give that a try. Thanks again.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:17 PM   #44
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Here is a screen cap from the Tacview of my last practice session for AFT 05.

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.p...1&d=1570816610

This is the drop on the first target. I've just dropped two pairs of flares from 5700 feet (the first right when the CCRP cued me, and the 2nd shortly after) and you can see the 2nd pair is right over the target.

I got the "2 away" call, twice, but that was followed only by "Check target area." When I circled back, the target marker smoke was right in the middle of the illumination zone.

The same thing happens in the qualifying mission as well. Sometimes I get the call that the target is visible and I should move on, but that's rare. I don't know what else to try.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:58 PM   #45
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Thanks for the info.

Unfortunately the ME doesn't allow us to test for the illumination radius so we can only test where you drop the flares and at what height. We used to be able to use the bomb in zone trigger but they removed flares from that test.

I checked the triggers and we test 3 things to consider a successful drop:
1. That are you are below 6000 feet.
2. That you are within 0.5 nm of the target (target zone).
3. That the release weapons button is pressed during the above two conditions.

I suspect you are just missing out on the edge of the trigger zone (we probably should make it bigger since the illumination does now light up the target even if dropped further away).

Try dropping when you are right on top of the waypoint (ignoring the CCRP indication). This should ensure you are within the target zone and if you are at the right altitude you should get a successful message from the FE saying 'Target in Sight". We have some updates planned so we will consider making the zones bigger to account for the improved illumination when dropping from farther away.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:42 PM   #46
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Thanks for taking the time (especially three years after the last post in this thread!) to reply and I'll give that a try next time around.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:14 PM   #47
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Managed to pass AFT Mission 5 today. It took every flare I had, but I'm moving on! Thanks for all your help Sabre-TLA.
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