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Old 08-24-2019, 02:31 AM   #451
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JF17 can't use AGM65, but it has a similar missile, C701T. Air-to-surface missile modified from C701 anti-ship missile. I have a C701 weapon image page published by developers

so if i was deciding between the f16 and the jf17 for mainly a a2g/cas role... does jf17 triumphs the f16 in this area ?
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Old 08-24-2019, 02:54 AM   #452
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so if i was deciding between the f16 and the jf17 for mainly a a2g/cas role... does jf17 triumphs the f16 in this area ?
JF-17 should have farther reaching weapons than F16 (C802AKG) and LS-6 (should be slightly less than JSOW in range) but no cluster munitions. But cannot carry as many as the F-16. So it all depends, deep strike it can be better. But in total CAS ability worse.
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Old 08-24-2019, 04:35 AM   #453
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JF-17 should have farther reaching weapons than F16 (C802AKG) and LS-6 (should be slightly less than JSOW in range) but no cluster munitions. But cannot carry as many as the F-16. So it all depends, deep strike it can be better. But in total CAS ability worse.
F-16 has 2 extra pairs of under-wing pylons and 1 extra pair of centre-line pylons. While JF offers unique AG weaponry including the BRM-1/90 guided rocket system. A system that carries 18 laser guided 90mm rockets per pod. More importantly, the JF-17 should be much more feature complete when it hits early access. All in all both modules are must buys imo.
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Old 08-24-2019, 05:24 AM   #454
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F-16 has 2 extra pairs of under-wing pylons and 1 extra pair of centre-line pylons. While JF offers unique AG weaponry including the BRM-1/90 guided rocket system. A system that carries 18 laser guided 90mm rockets per pod. More importantly, the JF-17 should be much more feature complete when it hits early access. All in all both modules are must buys imo.
whats the range on those rockets? also can they kill tanks ?
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Old 08-24-2019, 05:26 AM   #455
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We’ll need it with only 105 kg more fuel then a MiG-21

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Old 08-24-2019, 06:24 AM   #456
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so if i was deciding between the f16 and the jf17 for mainly a a2g/cas role... does jf17 triumphs the f16 in this area ?
No, you can't say that. There are obvious differences between the two planes. JF17 is more suitable for very long-range strikes (CM802AKG, about 120 nautical miles) and can hit key nodes. However, due to the lack of cluster bombs and composite hangers to carry multiple air-to-ground missiles, the target that can be destroyed is very limited, while the F16 lost its original JASSM missile. Lost the ability to hit important targets at very long distances. But F16 has powerful cluster bombs, JSOW-B and AGM65 with composite hangers. The number of armored targets that can be destroyed by a single takeoff is much larger than that of JF17. Simply put: JF17 is more suitable for the first takeoff, using missiles outside the defense zone to attack key targets (radar, hangar, runway), and then the second takeoff of F16, entering the battlefield to attack ground targets at close range in the air.
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Old 08-24-2019, 11:36 AM   #457
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so if i was deciding between the f16 and the jf17 for mainly a a2g/cas role... does jf17 triumphs the f16 in this area ?
Well F16 is an heavier A2G plane than JF17. That a fact. Where JF have to sacrifice mid fuel tank, or external wing pylon for a TPOD, F16 can include it without loose any pylon. So it allow you to get Mid fuel tank, and full wing pylons. Also F16 got real mavericks, HARM, GBU, JDAM, so a lot of known weapons if you have fly the F18. Compare to JF you can carry more on same amount of pylon. Finally but always nice, F16 can carry self 4 self defense weapons (AMRAAM or 9X) and keep 4 A2G dedicated pylons (the one which car carry heavier payload btw).
While JF 17 can only have 2 fox 2 at wing edge if you want to keep 4 pylons for A2G.

So.... They both got their advantage, but in A2G F16 will be better because of largest choice and better efficiency of the payload it can carry. But JF 17 is as good as a F18 hornet (or almost if you let aside the 2 self defense AMRAAM under belly) wich is pretty good.
And if you fly with F16 buddies or other wich allready have Tpod, i expect they could do some targetting for you. So you can stick to 2 fox 2, 1 mid fuel tank, 4 pylon A2G, wich is pretty good
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Old 08-24-2019, 03:01 PM   #458
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Well F16 is an heavier A2G plane than JF17. That a fact. Where JF have to sacrifice mid fuel tank, or external wing pylon for a TPOD, F16 can include it without loose any pylon. So it allow you to get Mid fuel tank, and full wing pylons. Also F16 got real mavericks, HARM, GBU, JDAM, so a lot of known weapons if you have fly the F18. Compare to JF you can carry more on same amount of pylon. Finally but always nice, F16 can carry self 4 self defense weapons (AMRAAM or 9X) and keep 4 A2G dedicated pylons (the one which car carry heavier payload btw).
While JF 17 can only have 2 fox 2 at wing edge if you want to keep 4 pylons for A2G.

So.... They both got their advantage, but in A2G F16 will be better because of largest choice and better efficiency of the payload it can carry. But JF 17 is as good as a F18 hornet (or almost if you let aside the 2 self defense AMRAAM under belly) wich is pretty good.
And if you fly with F16 buddies or other wich allready have Tpod, i expect they could do some targetting for you. So you can stick to 2 fox 2, 1 mid fuel tank, 4 pylon A2G, wich is pretty good

GB6, JSOW like AGM-154, was implemented already, but not listed in the table.
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:13 PM   #459
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whats the range on those rockets? also can they kill tanks ?
I've heard around 8KM and they are designed to kill light amour, infantry, and structures. I don't know how many hits will be needed in DCS to kill a tank. Apparently they are supposed to be fired in multiples to overwhelm ADS systems on tanks and hit the softer turret amour. Supposedly one can do it but will have to see how it works in DCS to know.

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Old 08-24-2019, 07:36 PM   #460
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F-16 has 2 extra pairs of under-wing pylons and 1 extra pair of centre-line pylons. While JF offers unique AG weaponry including the BRM-1/90 guided rocket system. A system that carries 18 laser guided 90mm rockets per pod. More importantly, the JF-17 should be much more feature complete when it hits early access. All in all both modules are must buys imo.
Never hear about the Chinese version. If those weapons come to DCS in JF-17 we gonna have lot of fun. It is for sure this module will have this guided rockets?
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