Strela 10

Are we gonna to be able to use only tanks and artilery or we can use for exapmple strela 10,avanger and other SAM`s that kind agains planes?

DCS Combined arms is great idea.Congratulation.Wish the best.

Yes, players can commandeer the units you mention, including others like Strela-1, M48 Chapparal etc.

However, larger SAM systems like S-300 or Buk/Kub for example remain as AI only.

Combined arms will let you use most ground based weapons systems except for the aforementioned larger SAMs and infantry weapons (Igla, Strela, RPG, etc.)

You can ofcourse control the larger sam systems. But not in first person :)

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S-300 is my beloved toy in DCS and i'm so sad that it can't move and deploy by itself.

And now, i'm crying because i won't be able to press a red button in the S.C.U.D. launcher-like Vehicle.

:(

Well it'd be weird to control so sophisticated machine like S-300 is. It consist of many modules too :P

To control Sa-10/S-300 and other fixed Sams we need "SamSimulator" Style modules or 3rd parties to simulate that funtionality.

The big change in combined arms is you will be able to move these big SAM systems around the map during the mission. If you set them in a group, you could strategically move the S-300 to the spot you want in order to take the opponent out.

Just how fast to you think S-300s are? It will make little difference to a scenario if it takes an hour to move just 60 km.

A Tor or OSA however - that can be a real game changer in smaller scenarios.

Nate

guys, it's absolutely no fun to wait 8+ hours while S-300 units deploy themself from ready-to-move to ready-to-shot state ;)

Maybe it is 8 hours, but...

S-300 is a "you lose ! GAME OVER" god-like anti-aircraft system. And it's sexy :)

kidding apart, i'm sad, but i understand ED on this. you can't implement something which take longer to deploy than any gathered parties.

Still, i love this thing.

 

S-300 is a "you lose ! GAME OVER" god-like anti-aircraft system....

All your S-300's belong to Toadie!

:D

Actually I was thinking more about the buk system being mobile

All your S-300's belong to Toadie!:D

:megalol:

It will be interesting to se how this plays out on the DCS CA Battlefield.

(HJ)

:cry::cry::cry:

S-300 is my beloved toy in DCS and i'm so sad that it can't move and deploy by itself.

And now, i'm crying because i won't be able to press a red button in the S.C.U.D. launcher-like Vehicle.

:(

Sorry, but this one just makes me cringe. "Scud" is not an acronym, it should not be allcaps with periods in between.

Just how fast to you think S-300s are? It will make little difference to a scenario if it takes an hour to move just 60 km.

Just what i was thinking. Deploying an S-300 system would take all day, you have to position the radar vehicles, the TELs, and the commands/control vehicle. Then each of them must be deployed to operational configuration, then they must be connected together and systems checked for proper function... Any one of these steps would take longer than most games last, and all of them together? no way.

Actually I was thinking more about the buk system being mobile

the Buk is more mobile than S-300, but that is like saying a turtle moves faster than a snail. with Buk, you still have a CnC vehicle, TEL or TELaR, and radar vehicles which must be positioned and deployed. Depending on misile variant, Buk has a max engagement range of 50 km. This is twice as far away as an A-10 can engage targets, so once an engagement has begun, there is no need to relocate. just plop down beside valuables and wait for something to show up.

SAM doctrine is not "chase them down" but "make them come to you" SAM deployment is something that should be entirely finished well before engagement begins. the only tactics available to a SAM are "radar on or off" and "shoot or don't shoot". De-elevating the missiles, folding up the radar, and moving around does nothing except take the unit out of the fight. If a SAM site is spotted by enemy air, it has the options of "shoot" and "die".

Now, that said, the "radar on vs radar off" tactical decision is one which would have significant effect for a properly concealed medium- or long-range SAM battery. if you keep a certain number of your sites to passive-search until SEAD ops are complete, you can lure relatively defenseless ground-attack aircraft in range, radar on (and hope no pointy noses are looking your way), launch, radar off (if the missile is fire and forget capable) and with luck the launch site won't be located. Another poster mentioned radio beacons set to simulate search radar, which would serve to increase survivability during the initial stages of a SEAD op.

tl;dr version: SAMS take way too long to deploy for moving them around mid-game, so direct control is not useful. but being able to switch them on/off and dictate target priority would be a huge boon in and of itself.

It's not 100% right that it takes too long. Thinking of S-300 Ok but not with Buk. I don't know the exact time the Buk needs to deploy etc but i do know the time for Kub. Deploying takes about 10 minutes (but not ready for shoot), leaving needs about 6minutes. Making it totally fire ready from the move (including calibrating and testing) takes about 15 minutes. And that's the time for the older Kub, i am sure Buk is much faster. So if you leave the battlefield with your A-10, Su-25 or Ka-50 to rearm the system may be in a different location when coming back.

Edit: I think the problem is only software related because of a multi unit SAM.

Yeh i know SCUD isn't an acronym, i should have written S-C-U-D, it was just for better pronounciation !

But keep in mind no one is whining on this thread. there no point to whine for taking control of something utterly long to deploy and ultra-complicated to put online. We are just kidding, and i'm pretty sure ED noticed that.

@159th Viper : Nice shot on this stupid S300 commander ! he deserved that sitting in open ground.

Next time, beware of the wolves in the forest ! :D

And keep in mind S.A.M. (with dots :p ) tactics explained by ShuRugal.

And if you kept that FA-AF manual somewhere, go check pages 477-482.

Blinking Pattern and Buddy launch could be deadly *Evil*

 

@159th Viper : Nice shot on this stupid S300 commander ! he deserved that sitting in open ground.

Next time, beware of the wolves in the forest......

Cannot hide from a Kh-58 :D

It'll be interesting now that player controlled SHORADs can now hide by driving into a wood or behind a building :)

It'll be interesting now that player controlled SHORADs can now hide by driving into a wood or behind a building :)

At least until the JTAC finds you :P

The woods should be force enabled to avoid cheats ! And your KH-58 IS cheating ! lol

Behind a building could be really effective... unless a JTAC finds us.

in that case, maybe that UAZ over there will accelerate to ramming speed, straight to the JTAC? :p