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Old 01-16-2020, 01:13 PM   #21
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It would tie in very well to Heatblur's projects (F-14, Forrestal, A-6) as well as to M3's F-8 Crusader.
Yeah but I don't see them building AI assets to tie in with another 3rd party unless they have something planned.

Looking at SilverDragon's reasoning behind putting it as AI, I'm not entirely convinced it is an AI, yeah it MAY be an AI asset for Falklands for what-if scenarios but that feels kinda odd. After all, we do know that there are other things intended as modules they have/had under work aside from what appears in that list. We've seen some A-7 wip stuff shared by them before too over the years.
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:25 PM   #22
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Yeah but I don't see them building AI assets to tie in with another 3rd party unless they have something planned.
Why not? It doesn't have to tie in anywhere in the first place. RAZBAMs Mirage, Harrier and MiG-19 doesn't tie in anywhere special either. The Corsair can fit in wherever needed like all the other aircraft do too.
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:31 PM   #23
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RAZBAM already did A-7... but for FSX while ago... that is why they have all the assets in place to do one for DCS... but they need to clear up the Que first
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:38 PM   #24
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Why not? It doesn't have to tie in anywhere in the first place. RAZBAMs Mirage, Harrier and MiG-19 doesn't tie in anywhere special either. The Corsair can fit in wherever needed like all the other aircraft do too.
The question isn't why not, but why?

Think about it, why would you create an AI asset that is usually not sold (aside from whole WWII ordeal), if they aren't a tie in to one of your products?

I am not arguing that Corsair does not fit DCS, far be it from me, "this doesn't fit into DCS" is what I always argued against loudly, and Corsair is one of the aircraft I'd be interested in the most.

On the contrary, what I'm saying is that if it doesn't fit with anything currently done by Razbam, it is more likely being done as a future module rather than just an AI asset.

Not that this is a very meaningful discussion to already have anyway, razbam already have a lot in the pipeline considering both existing modules to complete and other announced and contracted modules waiting in line.
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The question isn't why not, but why?

Think about it, why would you create an AI asset that is usually not sold (aside from whole WWII ordeal), if they aren't a tie in to one of your products?
Oh, you're talking about AI assets. That's different of course, as they do indeed not make a lot of sense if they don't tie in. But AFAIk the A-7 should be a playable module.
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And the F-14 doesn’t really work without the A-7.
I think you should expand on this thought, because it doesn’t make sense at face value.
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I think you should expand on this thought, because it doesn’t make sense at face value.
In several actual incidents the A-7 and the F-14 cooperated. In the Gulf of Sidria incident for instance SA-5s were fired at F-14s, A-7s in the area responded with HARMs. In a post Vietnam pre Hornet air wing it would be Tomcats clearing the sky’s, and A-7s plowing the road, with A-6s delivering the heavy payload. Again as seen in Libya. The A-7 also carried a ton for the early PGMs. So it’s really needed on the Forestalls deck. The A-7 and F-14 could really complement each other in DCS as in the real world. The A-6 would be nice to have as well, but not really Necessary. If for instance there was to be an opposed marine landing in say 1985ish, it would likely be the A-7s providing CAS, and performing SEAD operations. A-6s and A-7s would share the job of striking key logistic targets. And F-14s would establish air superiority, and escort. Since the A-7 can do every role the A-6 can, and was really good at CAS and SEAD I think it would add the most benefit complementing the F-14. Yes, you could use Hornets for all of that, but some of us like the old iron. Was that a proper clarification of my position?
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Old 01-16-2020, 04:53 PM   #28
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RAZBAM already did A-7... but for FSX while ago... that is why they have all the assets in place to do one for DCS... but they need to clear up the Que first
Doing a mod for for FSX and doing something right for DCS are 2 entirely different things. The level of systems modeling in FSX is nothing like DCS. Razbam had a harrier in FSX too.
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I actually did some digging on that because I was wondering why did these two coexist in the navy? Are they not redundant? What I came up with was the A-7 was intended for close air support and "see the target, kill the target". While the A-6 wasn't quite as good at that type of work it was much better at pinpoint all weather day or night strikes. So if its a target of opportunity you send and A-7 and if its preplanned you send the A-6. The F-18 was able to take over the A-7's role earlier than the A-6's and thats why the 6 stayed in service longer.
The A7 replaced the A4 for for more CAS/SEAD/Light strike type roles, while the A-6 was more of heavy deep strike bomber. Realistically they complemented each other back in the day.

I think the main reason that HB is doing the A6, is that it makes more sense for them to recycle alot of the F14 tech, i.e. jester, lantrin, etc. That they have for the F14. They could certainly do the A7 too and maybe they will, but the A6 better leverages the developed tech they have.
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The A7 replaced the A4 for for more CAS/SEAD/Light strike type roles, while the A-6 was more of heavy deep strike bomber. Realistically they complemented each other back in the day.

I think the main reason that HB is doing the A6, is that it makes more sense for them to recycle alot of the F14 tech, i.e. jester, lantrin, etc. That they have for the F14. They could certainly do the A7 too and maybe they will, but the A6 better leverages the developed tech they have.
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I remember when NAS Oceana was just Tomcats and Intruders. Guess I'm getting old lol.

Would love to see an A-7 in DCS. And it would be cool to fly it off of a Forrestal Class ship.
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