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Old 09-19-2020, 08:34 AM   #51
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Su-30KNs were the old Indian Su-30Ks if I'm not mistaken that would probably mean Irkut production not KnAAZ



Speaking of two seat flankers how about a Su-30MKK?

I'd like deka's opinion on making it either FF or MAC grade
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No not really a "hodge-podge" of variants.

The "Su-30KN" was a multirole upgrade for the "basic" pure interceptor Su-30(aka Su-27PU) and the export version of this(the Su-30K) - i.e. it retains the 10 pylon layout, but gains multirole capability.

Its true that the Russian airforce(or PVO at the time) only operated a handful or so of the Su-30 interceptors, but some 18 units were exported to India as the Su-30K. These were later returned to Russia when India purchased the more advanced Su-30MKI instead.

The returned former Indian Su-30Ks have since been upgraded exactly to Su-30KN standard and resold to Angola. Here is an article about it:
https://airforcesmonthly.keypublishi...-breaks-cover/
So you could say it’s closest to being Algerian, but I’m sure the idea of ED at the time was to just give it abilities matching upgrade Su-30, and it happens to be closest to KN, which were upgraded ex-Indian birds sold to Algeria

I don’t know if they were KnAAPO now that I think about it, maybe I made a wrong assumption

EDIT: this site says Irkut did the upgrade to KN standard. https://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-30/su-30.htm I would assume that means Irkut made the 30K also.

Surprisingly hard to find out what factory made what

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Old 09-19-2020, 10:24 PM   #52
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Easy to check for yourself i tested on flatlands at the southern part of Caucasus map where Turkish coastal line would be.
I will test it when I have time. But my general experience in online play, considering jamming, different altitudes, dynamic things going on (not perfect clinical trial, which means nothing really) is that these radars are nearly useless beyond 50km in "real" conditions.

The point I am trying to make, to be on topic, is that the general capabilities of the FC3 modules are not really good enough to support SD-10 even if this missile is modded on. It might be fun and a little bit more fair but you're still effectively fighting with one hand tied behind your back.
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So you could say it’s closest to being Algerian, but I’m sure the idea of ED at the time was to just give it abilities matching upgrade Su-30, and it happens to be closest to KN, which were upgraded ex-Indian birds sold to Algeria

I don’t know if they were KnAAPO now that I think about it, maybe I made a wrong assumption

EDIT: this site says Irkut did the upgrade to KN standard. https://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-30/su-30.htm I would assume that means Irkut made the 30K also.

Surprisingly hard to find out what factory made what

Chances are it was indeed IAPO as they had a monopoly on the 2 seat Su-30 design at the time of the airframes being built
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