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Old 01-11-2018, 01:24 PM   #21
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That IAF F-15 winless landing is fake.
No its not... The History Channel edited a video of a normal F15 landing to represent the IAF aircraft incident and thats what you'll find online. That is CLEARLY a reproduction but the real event happened.
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:32 PM   #22
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The whole story is fake. As somewhere mentioned, incident occured as ground collision with static object and not while airborne. No tyre can sustaint that landing speed mentioned in vid. Also, no wind tunnel test performed under that case by MD ever to validate that case publicly. Also, pilots behaviour while telling that story is very suspicious as there is no actual action vid recorded.


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Old 01-11-2018, 02:31 PM   #23
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The whole story is fake. As somewhere mentioned, incident occured as ground collision with static object and not while airborne. No tyre can sustaint that landing speed mentioned in vid. Also, no wind tunnel test performed under that case by MD ever to validate that case publicly. Also, pilots behaviour while telling that story is very suspicious as there is no actual action vid recorded.
Are you a recognized military aviation expert ? Otherwise I can't believe you and discard all the recognized journals, military experts, documentaries... that said this story was true.
Also where did you get that it collided with as static object ?

Please provide a reliable source that this is a fake story.
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:36 PM   #24
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The whole story is fake. As somewhere mentioned, incident occured as ground collision with static object and not while airborne. No tyre can sustain that landing speed mentioned in vid. Also, no wind tunnel test performed under that case by MD ever to validate that case publicly. Also, pilots behaviour while telling that story is very suspicious as there is no actual action vid recorded.
Think about the physics involved in hitting something on the ground fast/hard enough for it to rip the wing pretty much clean off without destroying/damaging the rest of the aircraft. As soon as you hit something on the right hand side wing its going to pivot the aircraft around that wing and thanks to the UC arrangement of the F-15 it will end up tipping the aircraft over and roll the aircraft up into a ball. Also the right rear stab was not damaged, so whatever it it hit went through the wing at the wing root and then somehow missed the stab? Yeah ok..

I'm sure the tyres weren't particularly happy after a 250 knot touchdown, and I'm sure they wouldn't be guaranteed to hold by the manufacturer but thats why these things are designed with large safety margins. There are plenty of tyres out there that survived 180-200 knot landings like the ones for the Century series fighters like the F101, F104, F105... In fact the no flap landing speed for the F104 is 230 knots and the landing speed for the Tornado is 210 knots if they have to land it with the wings swept.

Regarding MD, I'm sure they did investigate how it was possible but why would a company release that information publicly? They are under no obligation to 'Prove' that something happened.
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Old 01-11-2018, 07:53 PM   #25
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Correction, something on the ground hit plane's wing - but well never know that for sure .

Read: https://theaviationist.com/2014/09/1...with-one-wing/
Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M359poNjvVA

Quote from article: "As told by Easley, it was only after he turned back to shake his instructor’s hand, that Zivi discovered that he had flown and landed without a wing!"
Quote from video by pilot: "I told my wingmen to inspect me.."

Landing at 260 knots (~300mph, ~480kmh)?
https://www.quora.com/What-aircraft-...-landing-speed

Blackbird has special ceramic coated (white) tires for its landing speed, X-15 skids..

Tires: https://www.goodyearaviation.com/tir...l&sortorder=70

F-15 - 200 knots max landing speed..

“According to an early edition of 'the Guinness book of world records' the X15 also holds the record for fastest landing speed at 242 mph (~210knots) compared with 210 mph for the space shuttle.”

MD: "After the mishap, McDonnell Douglas, inquired by the Israeli Air Force, affirmed that it was impossible for an F-15 to land with one wing only,.."

Damage report by picture: Elevator and vertical fin are untouched even they (F15 & A4) hit each other belly to belly? Ripping would trow wing up and back as flight speed vs proximity collision speed gives advantage to flight speed vector meaning that ripped wing (if made by glass) would surely slam into vertical fin and even elevator.. but no damage there. Debris holes?



So.. get real guys, I know it sounds great but.. no way.
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I don't see any sources saying it was fake, it's only you that say it...

Please read this : http://www.migflug.com/jetflights/f-...-one-wing.html

"When inquired by the Israeli Air Force, the manufacturer McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) said that it was possible to fly the F-15 Eagle with one wing missing due to the lift from the fuselage and the force from the engine."

Here : http://www.uss-bennington.org/phz-nowing-f15.html

"McDonnell Douglas attributes the saving of this aircraft to the amount of lift generated by the engine intake/body"

AND from the very article you quoted : https://theaviationist.com/2014/09/1...with-one-wing/

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MD: "After the mishap, McDonnell Douglas, inquired by the Israeli Air Force, affirmed that it was impossible for an F-15 to land with one wing only,.."
"After the mishap, McDonnell Douglas, inquired by the Israeli Air Force, affirmed that it was impossible for an F-15 to with one wing only, but once they received the photo of the Eagle flying without one wing, they said that, pilot skills aside, damaged aircraft had been able to return to the base thanks to the lift generated by both its engine intakes and its fuselage."

The above is a bad move from you, you only quoted what was making your point, not what the article was saying...
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Correction, something on the ground hit plane's wing - but well never know that for sure .

Read: https://theaviationist.com/2014/09/1...with-one-wing/
Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M359poNjvVA

Quote from article: "As told by Easley, it was only after he turned back to shake his instructor’s hand, that Zivi discovered that he had flown and landed without a wing!"
Quote from video by pilot: "I told my wingmen to inspect me.."

Landing at 260 knots (~300mph, ~480kmh)?
https://www.quora.com/What-aircraft-...-landing-speed

Blackbird has special ceramic coated (white) tires for its landing speed, X-15 skids..

Tires: https://www.goodyearaviation.com/tir...l&sortorder=70

F-15 - 200 knots max landing speed..

“According to an early edition of 'the Guinness book of world records' the X15 also holds the record for fastest landing speed at 242 mph (~210knots) compared with 210 mph for the space shuttle.”

MD: "After the mishap, McDonnell Douglas, inquired by the Israeli Air Force, affirmed that it was impossible for an F-15 to land with one wing only,.."

Damage report by picture: Elevator and vertical fin are untouched even they (F15 & A4) hit each other belly to belly? Ripping would trow wing up and back as flight speed vs proximity collision speed gives advantage to flight speed vector meaning that ripped wing (if made by glass) would surely slam into vertical fin and even elevator.. but no damage there. Debris holes?



So.. get real guys, I know it sounds great but.. no way.


Blackbird tires are ceramic coated to deal with the heat generated by the airframe at Mach 3+ not because of its landing speed. Blackbird landing speed is comparable to that of concord which doesn't have ceramic coated tires.

I just told you that the F104 lands at 230 KNOTS for a flapless landing which is 265mph.

Yes he asked his wingman to inspect the damage but the wingman couldn't see any of the damage because of the smoke and fuel vapour coming from the damaged part of the aircraft. This was said in the exact video which you just used to try and prove that it was fake.
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So how long would take fuel to exit tru wing root? Wingman didnt saw missing wing becouse fuel instantly transformed into wing shape? Sr71 flies mach3 with gear down? Its Gear bay temp is what? What about sr71 weight on touchdown compared to f104? ... Goodyear's f15 tyre LS limit is what?


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This is a video of me flying a wingless F-15. Me and my buddy were fighting one another and messing around online when he hit me with a missile and thought he killed me, but I lived. This is when I just started playing DCS so I did not even have trackir. So it was a high point at the time to land this thing.

https://youtu.be/8a2-WJ0Wi5w
We Know all , for the moment the f15C here is arcade.
Lot of other things are so weird for sure. Cross fingers ED improve this UNREALISTIC F15C poor FM

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