DCS: Mi-24P - What we know + Discussion

So, since ED mentioned

"Mapping Display

The feature set is in the final stages of the definition."

and in that weekend-news it's not explained in a short sentence what that is, does anyone here have a clue what it could be? Couldn't they just name it "moving map", if that's what it is?

Show on Helisimmer pics:

Cardboard cartographic moving map.

From today's newsletter

Once the final touches have been delivered on the DCS: P-47 Thunderbolt Early Access, the full focus will go onto the Mi-24P.

So.

Since the P-47 is yet to be launched into early access, and they say they will put full focus on the MI-24P not until after the finishing touches have been delivered, seing how long the Early access period is on ED's products (F-16 LOL - F/A-18C LMAO - Yak-52 ROTFLMAO) I predict we will see Mi-24 in early access some time in 2025.

#stillbutthurt

It says once the early access is finished, not the final release.

As they're doing the 'final touches' on the EA P-47 now, I guess that will be before 2025.

I read it as once the P-47 is in EA (& the inevitable random-unreproducible-unless-you-have-a-very-unusual-setup show stoppers are patched), the Mi-24P takes main focus.

From Helissimer

https://www.helisimmer.com/news/eagle-dynamics-new-screenshots-development-report-mi-24?fbclid=IwAR13DUqS4VqbH5kkpkhmInfaXIuV4usxi8SgEux8F9ChalLevJlXtdZlVDA

Grodlund : keep the faith my friend, Hind All the way !

Our beast is coming and I bet for a release end of 2020 or begin of 2021.

It will be for sure a "Beta version" with no multicrew and all weapon systems up and running (like the F-16 & F-18).

From Helissimer

https://www.helisimmer.com/news/eagle-dynamics-new-screenshots-development-report-mi-24?fbclid=IwAR13DUqS4VqbH5kkpkhmInfaXIuV4usxi8SgEux8F9ChalLevJlXtdZlVDA

 

 

Grodlund : keep the faith my friend, Hind All the way !

Our beast is coming and I bet for a release end of 2020 or begin of 2021.

It will be for sure a "Beta version" with no multicrew and all weapon systems up and running (like the F-16 & F-18).

if the Hind is anything like the F-16 release I may just wait a while before buying. Viper is a mess still 6 months later.

Cardboard cartographic moving map.

So not really "moving" automatically then, or?

So not really "moving" automatically then, or?

Yes, but in a typical USSR (but quite ingenious) kind of way. The map is a real paper map. The green frame in the picture is basikaly a kind of "cardboard television" kids play with (but in metal). The map is rolled up on two rollers, one upper, one lower. In front of the map there is a transparent ruler with a cross on it and possibly some kind of small "pen".

Your position is showed by rolling the paper map up or down, and moving the transparent ruler left and right. Below the cross are the aircraft. I believe there is a "pen" making a track line, but I'm not sure. It uses some of the aircraft's pre-GNSS navigation systems to control the motions of the "moving map" (which it really is, a moving paper map).

But what happens if the helicopter flies very far west or east? the map can't move to the right or left then, correct?

And how do you know so much about this system, that's awesome!

But what happens if the helicopter flies very far west or east? the map can't move to the right or left then, correct?

Correct. You then have to land and change the map ;-)

Most likely they have a rather small scale map covering the entire area the helicopter is supposed to be operating in during the mission.

I really don't know much about it, now you know exactly all I know. But All-knowing Google knows more...

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… The map is rolled up on two rollers, one upper, one lower. In front of the map there is a transparent ruler with a cross on it and possibly some kind of small "pen".

Your position is showed by rolling the paper map up or down, and moving the transparent ruler left and right. Below the cross are the aircraft. I believe there is a "pen" making a track line, but I'm not sure. It uses some of the aircraft's pre-GNSS navigation systems to control the motions of the "moving map" (which it really is, a moving paper map).

It is not right. Molevitch explained several earlier correctly.

The map holder uses a moving transparent tape, not a light. The tape has a red cross reticle on it It moves similarly to the way a CnC machine moves the machine head, so it is mechanically driven. The scale can be selected and different scale map cards inserted. It is a Doppler/Inertial system.

Correct. You then have to land and change the map ;-)…

This is also not correct. A set of maps of the flight area is cut into sheets in the size of 220×168mm. When the movable tape approaches the edge of the map, the pilot replaces this map sheet with a new one, after which, with the 1 and 7 knobs, it corrects the current position of the helicopter on the new map sheet.

... the pilot replaces this map sheet with a new one, after which, with the 1 and 7 knobs, it corrects the current position of the helicopter on the new map sheet.

nice nice, thanks! So this means it -24P has autopilot, I assume, and pilot could (and did, in real flights maybe?) replace the map sheet with new one in-flight, or?

It is not right. Molevitch explained several earlier correctly.

 

I was pretty sure it was the map itself that moved vertically, bu I might be wrong. But horizontally we are saying the same, he uses "tape" while I use "ruler", same same but different.

 

When the movable tape approaches the edge of the map, the pilot replaces this map sheet with a new one

This is what I said, pilot replacing it manually. He might not need to land to do it though.

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nice nice, thanks! So this means it -24P has autopilot, I assume, and pilot could (and did, in real flights maybe?) replace the map sheet with new one in-flight, or?

Yes, the Mi-24 has an autopilot, as well as the Mi-8. Yes, the pilot changes the map sheets in flight, landing for this is not required.

The moving map is extremely simple to use. You just need to avoid damaging the plastic strip that moves across the box when you open the glass window. Place the map with wanted area in it with the scale that match with the system 1 cm = 2000 meters (2 km) or 10000 meters (10 km).

The map has automatically moving that plastic strip with cross bars doppler that you have in Mi-8MTv2 and KA-50 as well. And so on it doesn't care what map there is, only that if helicopter does fly to North then it must move cross X amount toward North in the set scale.

If you decide that map position doesn't match helicopter position, you use two dials to manually move cross on position you think you are. So you use visually landmarks to correct your moving map location. No twiddling with navigation system etc.

And with 1:200000 set you can navigate easily in accuracy of couple hundred meters, as 1 mm is 200 meters. And so on you can update your location at that precision.

When you think about it, you don't need much higher accuracy as you should be using eyes to spot targets, troops, locations etc at that range.

Its main use is to know where you are and what is your route. So you find your location in the half kilometer accuracy in actual flight.

Best thing is that as it is paper map, you can make markings on it with pen. Like land and let the recon team draw enemy positions on the map, or talk over radio and discuss the coordinates on map and you have just exchanged "data" in the old manner.

And as you can swap maps in it, you can easily swap between long range and close range map, so one map to fly 100 km route and one map for combat zone in about 45 x 36 km area that one map presents in 1:200000 scale.

The moving map is extremely simple to use. You just need to avoid damaging the plastic strip that moves across the box when you open the glass window.

You almost "sound" like you've worked with it for real, from reading this :thumbup: Thanks for all the information!

I beg to differ!

From today's newsletter

 

 

So.

Since the P-47 is yet to be launched into early access, and they say they will put full focus on the MI-24P not until after the finishing touches have been delivered, seing how long the Early access period is on ED's products (F-16 LOL - F/A-18C LMAO - Yak-52 ROTFLMAO) I predict we will see Mi-24 in early access some time in 2025.

 

#stillbutthurt

I am not sharing your "enthusiasm" towards ED works. I think I will stick with my way of looking at things and I am going to belive in what Chizh said - Mi-24 is planned this year.

I will be trusting this unless I am proven wrong on December 31st 2020.

I dearly and sincerely hope you are right

I am not sharing your "enthusiasm" towards ED works. I think I will stick with my way of looking at things and I am going to belive in what Chizh said - Mi-24 is planned this year.

 

I will be trusting this unless I am proven wrong on December 31st 2020.

:thumbup::thumbup: Absolutely !

https://imgur.com/a/zkX9fEr

Just got this book today:book:, will be looking forward to reading it.. don't know why i can't attach the picture and only the link :doh:

The moving map is extremely simple to use. You just need to avoid damaging the plastic strip that moves across the box when you open the glass window. Place the map with wanted area in it with the scale that match with the system 1 cm = 2000 meters (2 km) or 10000 meters (10 km).

 

The map has automatically moving that plastic strip with cross bars doppler that you have in Mi-8MTv2 and KA-50 as well. And so on it doesn't care what map there is, only that if helicopter does fly to North then it must move cross X amount toward North in the set scale.

 

If you decide that map position doesn't match helicopter position, you use two dials to manually move cross on position you think you are. So you use visually landmarks to correct your moving map location. No twiddling with navigation system etc.

 

And with 1:200000 set you can navigate easily in accuracy of couple hundred meters, as 1 mm is 200 meters. And so on you can update your location at that precision.

 

When you think about it, you don't need much higher accuracy as you should be using eyes to spot targets, troops, locations etc at that range.

 

Its main use is to know where you are and what is your route. So you find your location in the half kilometer accuracy in actual flight.

 

Best thing is that as it is paper map, you can make markings on it with pen. Like land and let the recon team draw enemy positions on the map, or talk over radio and discuss the coordinates on map and you have just exchanged "data" in the old manner.

 

And as you can swap maps in it, you can easily swap between long range and close range map, so one map to fly 100 km route and one map for combat zone in about 45 x 36 km area that one map presents in 1:200000 scale.

Ah, fine soviet era engineering at its best. :thumbup:

Hey guys,

Couldn't find this anywhere on the forum:

Does the MI-24P, has something like the MI-8 and KA-50 "auto-pilot" support for flying, hovering and take-off and landings...

Thanks in advance.

For what I know Mi-24 has an "autopilot hover" system integrated.

Mi-8 "autopilot" won't hover, take off or land for you :], are more adjustments Engineer does for you to aid maintaining heading, altitude and so.

For what I know Mi-24 has an "autopilot hover" system integrated.

Mi-8 "autopilot" won't hover, take off or land for you :], are more adjustments Engineer does for you to aid maintaining heading, altitude and so.

Ahh okay thanks for the info.. maybe thats why i have such a hard time with the MI-8 :pilotfly:

Mi-8 "autopilot" won't hover, take off or land for you .

Can you elaborate it? I can only use its AP just for heading and altitude adjustments not for taking off or landing :smartass: