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Old 10-15-2015, 07:18 PM   #1
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Had some spare time and decided to make this. Enjoy.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By_...ew?usp=sharing

Edit: in the past few days I've updated the guide a few times with corrections, clarifications, a couple screenshots/diagrams and the radar vs EOS addendum, the link I provided will always go to the most recent version

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Old 10-15-2015, 07:32 PM   #2
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Nice guide! Great for a beginner. Though I disagree about always having to lure the F15C into WVR.
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Old 10-15-2015, 07:40 PM   #3
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Thanks for writing and posting that, I can only imagine how much time and effort that took!

The only comment I'd make is that you describe the R-27ER as being sluggish, when it's actually anything but sluggish. It's maximum speed and acceleration values are well above anything the AIM-120 could ever hope to achieve. I've seen an R-27ER top out at over 4,200 Km/h at the point at which the sustain motor burned out. I agree that it has poor terminal performance against targets pulling a lot of G's but it's speed and acceleration are it's main and huge advantages.
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Old 10-15-2015, 07:51 PM   #4
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Thanks for writing and posting that, I can only imagine how much time and effort that took!

The only comment I'd make is that you describe the R-27ER as being sluggish, when it's actually anything but sluggish. It's maximum speed and acceleration values are well above anything the AIM-120 could ever hope to achieve. I've seen an R-27ER top out at over 4,200 Km/h at the point at which the sustain motor burned out. I agree that it has poor terminal performance against targets pulling a lot of G's but it's speed and acceleration are it's main and huge advantages.
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Nice guide! Great for a beginner. Though I disagree about always having to lure the F15C into WVR.
I have tried other tactics and none seem to work nearly as well. I usually get 3-4 kills per sortie in 104th. Ambushing is the one tactic that is harder to predict.
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Thanks for writing and posting that, I can only imagine how much time and effort that took!

The only comment I'd make is that you describe the R-27ER as being sluggish, when it's actually anything but sluggish. It's maximum speed and acceleration values are well above anything the AIM-120 could ever hope to achieve. I've seen an R-27ER top out at over 4,200 Km/h at the point at which the sustain motor burned out. I agree that it has poor terminal performance against targets pulling a lot of G's but it's speed and acceleration are it's main and huge advantages.
I feel the author did not fully understand how to exploit those advantages in pure pursuit shots at the time of this guides writing
The author should in the future some time soon revisit that aspect of the guide
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I feel the author did not fully understand how to exploit those advantages in pure pursuit shots at the time of this guides writing
The author should in the future some time soon revisit that aspect of the guide
That would be good. The R-27ET is my favourite toy for pure pursuit shots as it gives no RWR warning, accelerates incredibly quickly and has a very viable range for that purpose. It's quite smokey but other than that it's great - same seeker as the R-73 but with a significantly increased range.
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That would be good. The R-27ET is my favourite toy for pure pursuit shots as it gives no RWR warning, accelerates incredibly quickly and has a very viable range for that purpose. It's quite smokey but other than that it's great - same seeker as the R-73 but with a significantly increased range.
I haven't tested the "new" 27s yet but they were the reason many of us quit flying Su27 and MiG29. The ET was useful only against unaware targets and the ER against choppers. When dealing with drivers that know their business they were plane useless. I'll have to see if there's any improvement on these chapters.
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Great help, thanks for posting.

Question; does the ASC disconnect automatically reconnect or I have to hit S again?

Thanks again!

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Great help, thanks for posting.

Question; does the ASC disconnect automatically reconnect or I have to hit S again?

Thanks again!

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You have to hit S again to manually re-enable it. The system doesn't automatically re-enable.
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Old 10-15-2015, 09:41 PM   #10
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Great guide, plenty there for new guys to get their teeth into. 1v1 against an F-15 your best chance is making that Flanker live up to its name because there is nothing worse than getting actives in the face, conceal and flank then give that 15 pilot a surprise wedgie face plant for maximum points.
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