"The Bear Trap" campaign

Great campaign and tons of fun. I have spent quite a bit of time in the F-15C but have never done any of the campaigns. Was cool to hear Wags voice in the first mission but disappointed that there were no other missions with VO. Didn't take away from the campaign though.

There is a slight problem with mission #5 "OCA on Nalchik". The AI SEAD can not complete their task because there are two SA-10 systems, one at Mozdok and one at Nalchik. It looks like it should have been an SA-11 though because of the way the units were laid out. And the AI F-16's could not get close enough to launch their JSOW's. I tried half a dozen times and gave up and changed the SA-10 to an SA-11 and they were able to take it out. Definitely not a negative criticism of the campaign and it may still work a percentage of the time, but I lost patience after the number of times I tried. Just be prepared to do it over if they fail on the SEAD.

That's the only issue I saw though and I didn't really want to alter the campaign but I didn't see any other way. The AI sams have been improved over the last few years so a lot of what worked in the past doesn't now. But it's a really fun campaign and good for learning how to handle the Eagle.

I hate to admit it but this is the first time I've actually observed the JSOW-A's in action and I can't believe how devastating they are. I saw two of them take out an entire SA-11 site in one pass. They are going to be absolutely amazing when they're released for the F-18 and building missions will be a whole new exercise.

Were you flying the stock campaign?

There's an excellent user-made update that fixes a few issues that cropped up with 2.5 here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3301743/

Yes.

There's an excellent user-made update that fixes a few issues that cropped up with 2.5 here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3301743/

Wasnt aware that Maddog’s updates werent incorporated on the base game, thanks for letting us know.

I'm playing the Bear Trap Campaigh right now.

Anyone can explain me the difference with the Georgian War campaign?

BTW: I'm at mission 8 and no issue seen till now...

I'm playing the Bear Trap Campaigh right now.

Anyone can explain me the difference with the Georgian War campaign?

Erm... These are two different campaigns. The Bear Trap is stock, The Georgian War is a 3rd party payware campaign. The former is more challenging, but the storytelling is almost non-existent. The latter is easier & far more entertaining, and has tons of voiceovers.

There is a slight problem with mission #5 "OCA on Nalchik". The AI SEAD can not complete their task because there are two SA-10 systems, one at Mozdok and one at Nalchik. It looks like it should have been an SA-11 though because of the way the units were laid out. And the AI F-16's could not get close enough to launch their JSOW's. I tried half a dozen times and gave up and changed the SA-10 to an SA-11 and they were able to take it out.

I'm stuck on this mission as well, having the same problem. SEAD team simply cannot destroy both SAMs in time, so DEAD package turns into DOA package.

I'm using the latest modified version by MadDog. Wonder if I should just skip this mission, or if there's still a way to complete it without resorting to ME.

Technically, the F-16's should be about to take out the SA-10 because it's supposed to have the same capability as the F/A-18C, but I had to edit the mission and change it to SA-11. That's the only way I could complete it. The problem is that the SA-10's have been improved and AI F-16 always wait till optimum range to launch the JSOWS. This is really not workable since they're within 20 miles and got killed every time. So I really didn't see any other solution.

I know a lot of people will roll their eyes at my statement, but I'm not really a purist in the sense of doing every legacy campaign as written. It's old and DCS has changed significantly so a lot of them are really not workable due to those changes. In the more recent ones and DLC ones I stick to the program since DLC's can't be altered anyhow and it hasn't changed my feelings about altering some elements of the older ones to make them workable. But I do try at least a half dozen times before relenting and getting into the editor.

So from my perspective, I say go for it.

Technically, the F-16's should be about to take out the SA-10 because it's supposed to have the same capability as the F/A-18C, but I had to edit the mission and change it to SA-11. That's the only way I could complete it.

If this is a real bug that render the mission unpassable, then we should probably report it to MadDog.

On the other hand, there are plenty of users who have completed it (like LordOrion three posts above). Which makes me wonder if we're playing it completely wrong - like calling the SEAD strike too late or too early.

If this is a real bug that render the mission unpassable, then we should probably report it to MadDog.

Not a bug and MadDog is already aware of it. It's a limitation of AI in the new system like I stated. And yes, the AI can complete the mission, probably one out of 20 times maybe. My impatience lies with the AI unpredictability so that's why I edited the mission. So my opinion is that it's not the fault of the player if the AI can't complete their mission, it's a problem with the system. So in all fairness making a change in the mission to permit them to do so is not really wrong. But there are probably as many opinions on this as there are people that use DCS.

Afaik it's no longer MadDog's business unless we talk about his patch.

It's normal that due to DCS changes some missions get broken. You can wait for the fix (it can be months) or just fix it yourself which is exactly what the devs will do.

My impatience lies with the AI unpredictability so that's why I edited the mission.

Oh well, guess I'll just skip this one. Thanks for the explanation!

Erm... These are two different campaigns. The Bear Trap is stock, The Georgian War is a 3rd party payware campaign. The former is more challenging, but the storytelling is almost non-existent. The latter is easier & far more entertaining, and has tons of voiceovers.

Thank you!

One last question: how many mission there are in Bear Trap?

how many mission there are in Bear Trap?

Eleven, including the FAM flight.

The Georgian War, for comparison, has sixteen.

Try this one Minsky. I kept the format so it's a templated 11. No need to worry if you replace the original as they get rewritten when you update.

FC3-F15C-05.miz

Eleven, including the FAM flight.

 

The Georgian War, for comparison, has sixteen.

Tank you very much!

I just won it :joystick:

Try this one Minsky. I kept the format so it's a templated 11.

Wow, thanks a ton! Completed it at the first try, and it was far easier and more enjoyable than the original. :thumbup:

You're welcome. I really don't see that changing it to a SA-11 changes the spirit of the mission significantly but I'll probably get some purists jump on me for that comment :). Anyhow, that was my solution.

have you tried to change the weapons of f-16 pre mission in the plan page？agm84e maybe？

3things with the mission plan page preflight

1 reduce the speed of f15e for some waypoints

2 change the load of f16 3 missiles 1 fuel tank

3 some f16 should take agm65 agm154 instead of Harm