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Old 12-08-2015, 01:33 PM   #11
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But the F-15E is the countered by just about everything that counters the F-15C in terms of air superiority. For ground attack and CAS, I would say the 29s and 27s still counter that role as well because they also can deliver bombs and rockets...etc.
Don't agree with that.

The Mig-29 and Su-27 have not a targeting pod they are 4 gen fighters, while the F-15E is 4+ gen. The Red side need a bomber like a Su-24M or Su-34 to face the F-15E task.
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Actualy, the F-15E RAZBAM module are "on hold", expected see on the future plans.
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Old 12-08-2015, 01:38 PM   #13
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Don't agree with that.

The Mig-29 and Su-27 have not a targeting pod they are 4 gen fighters, while the F-15E is 4+ gen. The Red side need a bomber like a Su-24M or Su-34 to face the F-15E task.
OK there's no eastern counterpart in development yet, but not sure why should that prevent Razbam from developing it?
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OK there's no eastern counterpart in development yet, but not sure why should that prevent Razbam from developing it?
It won't. Balance is not a requirement for a realistic simulation.
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It won't. Balance is not a requirement for a realistic simulation.
That's true. Anyway I don't believe ED team think like you do.
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It won't. Balance is not a requirement for a realistic simulation.
^ True, but anyway, this is for the sake of enjoyment at some extent. Also, does anyone know why it's "on hold"?
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It won't. Balance is not a requirement for a realistic simulation.
I agree - just getting tired of seeing a few members trying to hold development of western jets because they want to see more Russian jets...
Sorry for them but most polls place western planes ahead (which does not mean that 3rd party will not develop them - see MiG-21)
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I agree - just getting tired of seeing a few members trying to hold development of western jets because they want to see more Russian jets...
Sorry for them but most polls place western planes ahead (which does not mean that 3rd party will not develop them - see MiG-21)
Mig-21 is the beginning for the 3Th Party developers.... Now you gone get the F-5. I see the ED policy on the right way.
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Mig-21 is the beginning for the 3Th Party developer.... Now you gone get the F-5. I see the ED policy on the right way.
I agree that we need more Russian planes at high fidelity. But most people do want to have Western planes though. YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED ALLLLLLL OF THE PLANES! But we do still have some nice Russian planes, 21, 15, su25, 27, 29, 33. Just not too many at clickable, A-10C levels yet.


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Old 12-08-2015, 02:08 PM   #20
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I want to see more Russian jets, and I tend to like Russian aircraft more than other aircraft. MiG-21 is my favorite DCS module and Su-25 is my favorite FC3 module. I would bu Su-17,22,24 MiG-19,23,27,25 etc all day one. Then there's Mi-24 and Mi-28. I would LOVE if we could get more modern, perhaps even multirole Russian aircraft but it doesn't seem like going to happen for various reasons.

But I also like the others and won't be protesting release of any aircraft (unless something really far fetched like a 5th gen aircraft or a very late 4.5 gen one, those would be more guess work than simulation). Even though I very much look forward to development of all those Russian aircraft in DCS, I can count as many I really want to fly from other origins.

F-15E would be very nice to have. Although I like F-15 (did so since childhood) I don't see myself buying F-15C module if one releases but I would jump on F-15E as fast as possible.

Balance is no reason for an objection against something like a F-15E. For air quake, F-15C is already the more pure air to air oriented one and has been present in DCS since day one. For air to ground, well when has air to ground aspect ever been balanced anyway? Ka-50 is first and still the only attack helicopter, yes Polychop are coming with two AT helicopters but they aren't remotely near the capabilities of Ka-50. A-10C has been the only TGP capable aircraft for a loooong while. Su-25T is still the only SEAD capable one etc. etc. .

In all fairness though, this goes both ways, even though sim does indeed need more Russian aircraft, whenever one such aircraft is even suggested, some people say "pffft... what's this now, why everything Russian, we need [put favorite country here] fighters!" who also suffer a selective cognition issue.
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