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Old 05-30-2018, 07:45 AM   #21
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lets say for discussion that youre at 35 meters in a hover and want to descend vertically. You move collective as shown over time and you periodically increase power to maintain a reducing VSI over time. The manner of moving collective is important and really takes practice. You need to observe the position outside, your ground references, and your vertical speed being reducing over time. Once youre in ground effect, start lowering collective more and relax compensation. 5 meters and lower it down even more from previous position. 3 meters even more. then lower it all the way.
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Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:55 AM   #22
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okay Ill ask the obvious question, why?

I mean I get regulating VSI or sink rate when descending which is what I do, but it's generally smoother regulation of collective and yes you can feel IGE build as you descend.
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okay Ill ask the obvious question, why?

I mean I get regulating VSI or sink rate when descending which is what I do, but it's generally smoother regulation of collective and yes you can feel IGE build as you descend.
why what?
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Old 05-30-2018, 10:18 AM   #24
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why what?
Well the movement of collective VS height in the chart. Why so much?
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Old 06-21-2018, 03:22 PM   #25
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Well the movement of collective VS height in the chart. Why so much?
sorry for taking long to answer. the chart is not accurate. I used it to convey that as you reduce your collective, you taper the reduction, not slice it. Meaning:

If in hover your % of collective is 100%, you drop down to 90% then immediately go back to 95%. This should "arrest" your descent or sink rate. But I am sure you already knew this. Like in hornet.
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Old 06-30-2018, 12:45 PM   #26
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I love flying all the helo's including the MI 8 , I have very little difficulty landing the KA 50, the Huey or the Gazelle but when it comes to the 8 I windup chasing the VSI and it gets into VRS so easy and drops like a rock, if I try to come in and hover then land, a rolling landing is easy,but there are times when thats not possible. I am using a warthog hotas, is there special curves or a secret incantation or maybe I need one stiff drink, whats the secret?
Thanks I hate sucking at landing
You compare Motorcycles with a Bus, you know what I mean?
I had the same problem, the engine RPM drops by lowering the collective. You need to rise the collective much earlier, because if you rise it to late and to fast, you lose your rotor RPM, because the engine can't keep up fast enough. Watch decent rate and RPM.
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Even after years with the Mi-8....1 sleepy moment and down she goes when trying to touch down.



You need to constantly watch VSI, always, be gentle, be early in what you do and have confidence in what you do, sometimes she takes a second to react as assumed. Overdo anything and you ask for big trouble. When that happens, dive out the best you can or crash land while trying that and hope you can still extract troops and cargo, despite the broken bird and lost live.


I consider the Mi-8 being a Milk-Truck. That assumption won't lead you wrong.


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Old 07-10-2018, 07:57 AM   #28
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Even after years with the Mi-8....1 sleepy moment and down she goes when trying to touch down.

You need to constantly watch VSI, always, be gentle, be early in what you do and have confidence in what you do, sometimes she takes a second to react as assumed. Overdo anything and you ask for big trouble. When that happens, dive out the best you can or crash land while trying that and hope you can still extract troops and cargo, despite the broken bird and lost live.

I consider the Mi-8 being a Milk-Truck. That assumption won't lead you wrong.

DO NOT think of Ferrari's !
I do sort of like in this video, looks to be around 3 degree glide slope same as an airplane, as you come down also slow down etc.

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Old 07-10-2018, 08:43 AM   #29
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One exercise that I have found useful, is to get out on a runway at about a 100 foot hover and transition to forward flight without climbing, and accelerate to about 150KPH and then begin a deceleration back to a hover, holding that same 100 feet throughout the maneuver. It is a great coordination exercise that teaches you what to do with each one of the controls. Do this a couple of times and then go fly around for a little bit and then come back to the runway and try it again. I think you will find this a very good training exercise - in any of the helicopters available in DCS. I use it while training pilots in the real world and it is very effective.
I self taught myself the huey doing something similar.
instead of hovering at either end of the runway I did a landing. on the numbers.

a few hours of this instead of doing missions really taught me to fly helicopters.
now I do it in all the helicopters to learn them
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:52 AM   #30
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Just come screaming in low to the deck, pick a point to pirouette around and then plonk yourself down. Job's a good un: https://clips.twitch.tv/DaintyMoistWaspM4xHeh
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