JaNk0 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) Great video, thanks for sharing! How many episode can we expect ? The lack of AoA limitator and the large flight control surfaces should make quite easy to reach max AoA. Probably you don't have to pull full back to get there. To me, behaviour seen in the video looks right, but more insightful analysis with available E-M plots would be desirable Regards Not sure if it's any help but they posted some charts comparison in their FB page Heatblur facebook page, charts comparisons Edited August 31, 2017 by JaNk0 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogonaut Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 yup this is pretty damn cool. 3 years of work holy shit, i dont understand what u guys are doing but thats an enormous workload. i will definatly buy it :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Blaze Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Where is the preorder button?! I'm throwing money at the screen and it doesn't work. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale1986 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Where is the preorder button?! I'm throwing money at the screen and it doesn't work. :( Same here - putting my amex in the dvd drive didn't help either Main Module: AH-64D Personal Wishlist: HH-60G, F-117A, B-52H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion213 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) What I find interesting is how hard it is to pull high AoA, the plane basically refused to turn.... I wonder how hard he was yanking his stick backward to achieve this behavior. I'm pretty sure Cobra is showing off the high AOA "bad behaviors" with maximum or near maximum back stick. The Tomcat certainly had an ideal AOA range for turn performance (around 15-20 units iirc) and exceeding that was generally unhelpful. Also, the high AOA behaviors were different banked vs wings level. With wings level, the dihedral effect really stabilized the airframe and pilots could peg the AOA (and beyond) without much ill-effects besides bleeding off all their airspeed (which is an ill-effect I guess). Much like the F-86F or F-15C, best turn performance will require a certain stick input and pulling the stick into your gut will probably not work well. Thats how I interpreted it. :) The lack of AoA limitator and the large flight control surfaces should make quite easy to reach max AoA. Probably you don't have to pull full back to get there. To me, behaviour seen in the video looks right, but more insightful analysis with available E-M plots would be desirable Regards I don't think there is much direct, published references that show optimal control inputs, but there is some NASA control-response data that Heatblur as access to. From all accounts, this FM was built around solid data and there were lots of references for airframe behavior. Also, very true about big control surfaces and no AOA-based limits on deflection. While the stab aug does reduce or slow inputs in pitch somewhat, the huge elevons require only moderate sized control inputs to generate optimal turn performance (like so many other jets in DCS). The size and available deflection was driven by other factors, like overcoming the aircraft's stubborn pitch response in the landing configuration, where big (but precise) control inputs where needed to make effective pitch adjustments. As you can see here in the groove at 2:04: These kind of big control inputs were not needed (or helpful) in normal flight, but the unskilled (or unwise) pilot can certainly upset the airframe with this sort of thing. Lots of control authority! My guess from the video is that behavior is quite correct, but virtual pilots won't be doing things the same way (in general). :) -Nick Edited September 1, 2017 by BlackLion213 Clarified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTorrent Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 This is looking great! Keep up the good work guys, can't wait till she's out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic8ed Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Man this will be a great addition to DCS! Can't wait to fly this sucker for hours. Reading the manual will probably take a while, I'm sure there is a ton of stuff to learn to both pilot and RIO it effectively. Can't wait for more videos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonist Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 cant wait to jump on it with a friend and spend god damn hours up there. I7 7700k - Msi Z270 Gaming+ GTX 1070ti 16gb @2400 2x Samsung 850EVO 250/500 - 1x HDD 1TB SAITEK-MAD CATZ CYBORG FLY 5 STICK WIN 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westr Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 We all are very grateful as DCS community having Heatblure Simulations with us. You are doing great job and getting more fans as we speak for your close relationship with costumers and DCS enthusiasts. Good luck and wish you a smooth ride a long the way Heatblure Simulations. Thank you for the update. I concur. I'm very grateful to have these talented guys developing for DCS. They keep plugging away producing breathtaking stuff. Really look forward to the interaction with the A.I RIO I believe this module will break the mould. Getting my hands on the Tomcat will fulfill a boyhood dream. RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jcdata Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 There are control deflection limits Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belphe Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 OMG, it's happening! :D Never say never, Baby! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I'm pretty sure Cobra is showing off the high AOA "bad behaviors" with maximum or near maximum back stick. The Tomcat certainly had an ideal AOA range for turn performance (around 15-20 units iirc) and exceeding that was generally unhelpful. Also, the high AOA behaviors were different banked vs wings level. With wings level, the dihedral effect really stabilized the airframe and pilots could peg the AOA (and beyond) without much ill-effects besides bleeding off all their airspeed (which is an ill-effect I guess). What I find interesting is how hard it is to pull high AoA, the plane basically refused to turn.... I wonder how hard he was yanking his stick backward to achieve this behavior. I'm guessing (by the AC attitude) this is at very low speed (maybe at or bellow 200KIAS) and with full or near full aft stick. In those conditions she's essentially floating like a lief..... Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dali Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Dear Cobra, I'm no negativist, I purchased the Viggen and Mig-21 as soon as the shop was open. I have not flown heavy fighters in my career, just nimble two seat training jet some 25 odd years ago. I have flying experience from various types, the latest mil bird was Pc-9 hands on some 10 years ago. What I'm missing in your video (and in sims in general) is some sense of weight, even the most agile fighters do have some inertia, both weight and aerodynamicaly induced. Again, I have 0 time on Tomcat and I can only guess from the videos how it handled and I can only trust you guys to deliver something good :) Lately I've been mostly satisfied by Hawk's latest FM, it gives me the biggest suspension of disbelief. I'm also aware, that it is much to the joystick and its settings to deliver something truly believable in terms of handling. Good luck with the Cat, will be buying this one for sure, if not for other reasons to support your efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceFuel85 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Well I do think the video did demonstrate a bit of the weight of the aircraft, like when they were showing the wing spoilers and such..right about a minute in. If you watch some of the footage of the Tomcat in action from the cockpit you'll see a similar sense of heft. However, the Tomcat was also almost unnaturally nimble for such a large fighter, it didn't ever behave like you'd expect a 25 ton aircraft to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Well I do think the video did demonstrate a bit of the weight of the aircraft, like when they were showing the wing spoilers and such..right about a minute in. If you watch some of the footage of the Tomcat in action from the cockpit you'll see a similar sense of heft. However, the Tomcat was also almost unnaturally nimble for such a large fighter, it didn't ever behave like you'd expect a 25 ton aircraft to be. The only way i can think of simulating the feel of inertia in a sim, is by stick input lag and stick input amplitude. Aside from that......a force feedback stick maybe? But i haven's seen one of those in a while..... :huh: Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheckGear Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Just watched the video. I'm rarely as amazed as I was afterwards. Just from watching it, you can "feel" how the aircraft strains to defy the laws of physics in order to stay airborne. The Tomcat's an absolutely wonderful plane, but I see what people when they say "it takes muscle." I just hope Heatblur takes their sweet time. I want absolute perfection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mking Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 @cobra is the curvature of the wings at high g s already available, in the video? System Hydro H115i with 8700k @ 4,9 ghz all cores, Asus strix Z370 f, 32gb ddr4 3600Mhz, Asusrog swift 34 gsync ,Vr hp Reverb .Palit gaming pro 2080 ti Thrustmaster Warthog f18grip and th pedal Steamvr ss 100% and dcs world ss 180% tomcat eats the viper for breakfast :P Lange lebe die Tomcat": Long live the Cat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I've lost track of any possible release date, has there been any word on when the F-14 is expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayos Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I've lost track of any possible release date, has there been any word on when the F-14 is expected? Hopefully we will be flying it early access before the end of the year. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioneod Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Dear Cobra, I'm no negativist, I purchased the Viggen and Mig-21 as soon as the shop was open. I have not flown heavy fighters in my career, just nimble two seat training jet some 25 odd years ago. I have flying experience from various types, the latest mil bird was Pc-9 hands on some 10 years ago. What I'm missing in your video (and in sims in general) is some sense of weight, even the most agile fighters do have some inertia, both weight and aerodynamicaly induced. Again, I have 0 time on Tomcat and I can only guess from the videos how it handled and I can only trust you guys to deliver something good :) Lately I've been mostly satisfied by Hawk's latest FM, it gives me the biggest suspension of disbelief. I'm also aware, that it is much to the joystick and its settings to deliver something truly believable in terms of handling. Good luck with the Cat, will be buying this one for sure, if not for other reasons to support your efforts. My brother in law mentions the same thing, he is/was a pilot and talked about the aircraft responding with a bit of lag and that it isn't an instant response like in sims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Hopefully we will be flying it early access before the end of the year. Fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyTX Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I have 0 time in the F14 but 2000 hours in the Tornado F3 I watched the video but find it impossible to give good feedback without being able to feel the control inputs, however, I will say that I have had "0" problems with the flight models in DCS while there are the odd bugbears " blackout in 2 sec, "Aim120" ! " overall its great fun and feels pretty realistic. I have 130hours in the T38 it was a twitchy bugger and the F5 is the same. I have had a quick "chat" with Heatblur specifically about wing rock if you manually leave the wings back and from the the feedback they gave me, it all sounded good. Our control inputs have a massive effect on how a plane feels and they are an enormous variable, I am confident that we will get realistic simulation of the F14. I now fly a B777 now thats control Lag Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk I7 3930 4.2GHz ( Hyperthreading Off), GTX1080, 16 GB ddr3 Hotas Warthog Saiteck Combat Pedals HTC Vive, Oculus CV1. GTX 1080 Has its uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westr Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I have 0 time in the F14 but 2000 hours in the Tornado F3 I watched the video but find it impossible to give good feedback without being able to feel the control inputs, however, I will say that I have had "0" problems with the flight models in DCS while there are the odd bugbears " blackout in 2 sec, "Aim120" ! " overall its great fun and feels pretty realistic. I have 130hours in the T38 it was a twitchy bugger and the F5 is the same. I have had a quick "chat" with Heatblur specifically about wing rock if you manually leave the wings back and from the the feedback they gave me, it all sounded good. Our control inputs have a massive effect on how a plane feels and they are an enormous variable, I am confident that we will get realistic simulation of the F14. I now fly a B777 now thats control Lag Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Wow interesting WindyTX, what was your opinion of the Tornado F3 may I ask, good aeroplane? RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyTX Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) Yep for war it was way better than the press it got, good Radar, great RWR and Link 16 , a good friend came back from the marine F18 exchange and his comment was loved the Aircraft but would rather go to war in an F3. Oh and it was the fastest thing out there after the F111 retired. The bad under powered ( tho all Pilots say that ), gen 3.5 maneuverability, it will kill an F4 in a straight turning fight but against an F15 ,16,18 you get one shot on him if he doesnt realise how quickly an F3 can bleed energy. So we would never enter a fight without advantage and thanks to its sensors and 2 seats thats not as hard as it sounds. Really looking forward to the F14 as its basically the same role as I did and as I mentioned previously it sounds like Heatblur are doing it right. We are already putting SOP's together and constituting crews on the 16AGR so I just wish they would hurry up. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Edited September 16, 2017 by WindyTX Grammer 1 I7 3930 4.2GHz ( Hyperthreading Off), GTX1080, 16 GB ddr3 Hotas Warthog Saiteck Combat Pedals HTC Vive, Oculus CV1. GTX 1080 Has its uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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