Top Jockey Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Between 1992 and 1995 you'd have heard A's, B's and D's. by 1995 you'd have been hearing A's and D's as the Navy concentrated all F-14B's at Oceana in Virginia. Originally the plan was for an F-14D pacific fleet for the Tomcat, with the B's on the east coast. However obviously the Navy didn't get their hoped full amount of F-14D's, and only got about 1/4 of the F-14B's they wanted. Everyone went to Oceana in 199? 7 maybe? All Tomcats were consolidated at Oceana when the Navy handed Miramar over to the marines. By the way, a small curiosity about the F-14's "home base" : Relating to the production of "Fleet Defender" PC sim, the manual mentions that the most of the producers research was made at NAS Oceana, (and not at NAS Miramar). My doubt is; why was that ? (Bearing in mind that NAS Miramar was much more iconic / famous, also thanks to the media.) Hangar FC3 | F-14A/B | F-16C | F/A-18C | MiG-21bis | Mirage 2000C ... ... JA 37 | Kfir | MiG-23 | Mirage IIIE Mi-8 MTV2 system i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Idea Hat Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 By the way, a small curiosity about the F-14's "home base" : Relating to the production of "Fleet Defender" PC sim, the manual mentions that the most of the producers research was made at NAS Oceana, (and not at NAS Miramar). My doubt is; why was that ? (Bearing in mind that NAS Miramar was much more iconic / famous, also thanks to the media.) Looking at locations and timelines; First off, Microprose was based in California, so I can see why it would be questionable... ...until you find out that BRAC, in 1993, recommended that NAS Miramar be transitioned to the Marines, and all F-14 ops moved to Oceana. Best guess is that, given that their nearest base was closing, it would be better off going to Oceana to do their research. Also, I think that the version they modeled for the game was the F-14B, which was only at Oceana. That could be the real reason for going east, or it could have been a side effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Jockey Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Looking at locations and timelines; First off, Microprose was based in California, so I can see why it would be questionable... ...until you find out that BRAC, in 1993, recommended that NAS Miramar be transitioned to the Marines, and all F-14 ops moved to Oceana. Best guess is that, given that their nearest base was closing, it would be better off going to Oceana to do their research. Also, I think that the version they modeled for the game was the F-14B, which was only at Oceana. That could be the real reason for going east, or it could have been a side effect. Thank you for your time. You're right, from wikipedia: "...the developers found that flying the original underpowered F-14A was very unforgiving and "not much fun" for a commercial flight simulator." Also, in 1996 the "TOPGUN" school moved out to NAS Fallon. And I guess my doubt is answered. Edited March 30, 2018 by Top Jockey Hangar FC3 | F-14A/B | F-16C | F/A-18C | MiG-21bis | Mirage 2000C ... ... JA 37 | Kfir | MiG-23 | Mirage IIIE Mi-8 MTV2 system i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirlaway Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Think about what it would take to get a car running that you've left in your garage (charitably) since September 2006. Now multiply the cost and difficulty many times. Even given best-case scenarios, nobody but the US military is going to bring back a Tomcat. If the US military did try, Dick Cheney would rise from wherever the hell he is and just quash it again. He would rise from THE Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 All "U.S. Owned" Airframe's have been Rendered Flightless. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Had this confirmed with "Hey Joe" over the weekend. The "Hozer's" "Zone 6" was indeed a thing apparently. Will we be able to replicate the results in the TF30 powered Turkeys? Thanks in advance! Cheers and safe flying Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I know this is a bit of an inane question, but since we're discussing Tomcat engines (and I didn't want to make a new thread just for this), can anyone tell me why the nozzles for the TF30s were set differently when the aircraft was parked? In the picture you can clearly see the right engine is set as though it's in full afterburner, but the left engine is not. I tried a Google search, but it proved to be a dry hole. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zcrazyx Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I know this is a bit of an inane question, but since we're discussing Tomcat engines (and I didn't want to make a new thread just for this), can anyone tell me why the nozzles for the TF30s were set differently when the aircraft was parked? In the picture you can clearly see the right engine is set as though it's in full afterburner, but the left engine is not. I tried a Google search, but it proved to be a dry hole.[ATTACH]194187[/ATTACH] Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Is this common place? It could be many things, maintenance team might of been messing with it, could of had a failure at after-burn setting and the nozzle stayed open, Might of just been training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Is this common place? It could be many things, maintenance team might of been messing with it, could of had a failure at after-burn setting and the nozzle stayed open, Might of just been training.I seriously doubt it was some kind of malfunction. I've seen it numerous times over the years. It's what got me curious. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceFuel85 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I know this is a bit of an inane question, but since we're discussing Tomcat engines (and I didn't want to make a new thread just for this), can anyone tell me why the nozzles for the TF30s were set differently when the aircraft was parked? In the picture you can clearly see the right engine is set as though it's in full afterburner, but the left engine is not. I tried a Google search, but it proved to be a dry hole.[ATTACH]194187[/ATTACH] Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk When taxi'ing the crews would typically shut down one engine. The TF-30's nozzles weren't affected by gravity, so they stayed in whatever position they were on shut down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I seriously doubt it was some kind of malfunction. I've seen it numerous times over the years. It's what got me curious. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk If memory serves, it's simply a matter of shutdown procedure. Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Ahhhhhh...ok. Many thanks. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion213 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I seriously doubt it was some kind of malfunction. I've seen it numerous times over the years. It's what got me curious. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk As others said, its related to the shutdown procedure and because of the function of the weight-on-wheels switch (WoW). Both the TF30 and F110 engines have an idle pop-open function for the nozzles at idle during ground operations (WoW switch is active). In the air, the nozzles are always closed unless afterburner is commanded. There is a convention for shutting down the right engine since it drives the hydraulic pump for the flight controls, while the left engine drives the combined system. The right engine is shut down first to check function of the hydraulic transfer pumps as a routine maintenance check. When the right engine is shut down, there is still electrical power and the WoW will continue to send a signal to keep the nozzle open. When the left engine shuts down, the generator drops off line around 55% N2 so the WoW switch is disconnected. The left engine then defaults to "in-flight mode" and residual fuel pressure (nozzles are driven by fuel pressure) will still be sufficient to close the nozzle as the engine spools down. The F110 powered Tomcats do this too, but as another member noted the weight of the petals is sufficient to pull the nozzle open with the effects of gravity. So the left nozzle only stays closed for a few moments. I find the chain of events sort of interesting and worth sharing. :) -Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 As others said, its related to the shutdown procedure and because of the function of the weight-on-wheels switch (WoW). Both the TF30 and F110 engines have an idle pop-open function for the nozzles at idle during ground operations (WoW switch is active). In the air, the nozzles are always closed unless afterburner is commanded. There is a convention for shutting down the right engine since it drives the hydraulic pump for the flight controls, while the left engine drives the combined system. The right engine is shut down first to check function of the hydraulic transfer pumps as a routine maintenance check. When the right engine is shut down, there is still electrical power and the WoW will continue to send a signal to keep the nozzle open. When the left engine shuts down, the generator drops off line around 55% N2 so the WoW switch is disconnected. The left engine then defaults to "in-flight mode" and residual fuel pressure (nozzles are driven by fuel pressure) will still be sufficient to close the nozzle as the engine spools down. The F110 powered Tomcats do this too, but as another member noted the weight of the petals is sufficient to pull the nozzle open with the effects of gravity. So the left nozzle only stays closed for a few moments. I find the chain of events sort of interesting and worth sharing. :) -NickVery interesting. Thanks for taking the time to explain it in detail. So, I have to ask, are you guys modeling that too? :) Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion213 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to explain it in detail. So, I have to ask, are you guys modeling that too? :) Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Yes, the ASM should model this behavior. :) I say should because the current nozzle animation is simplified, so I haven't verified yet though the functionality is there. -Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Yes, the ASM should model this behavior. :) I say should because the current nozzle animation is simplified, so I haven't verified yet though the functionality is there. -NickGlorious! You really ARE going above and beyond with the Tomcat. The willingness to go the extra mile on the minute details are, in my opinion, a large part of what will make DCS: F-14 truly one of a kind. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheckGear Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Glorious! You really ARE going above and beyond with the Tomcat. The willingness to go the extra mile on the minute details are, in my opinion, a large part of what will make DCS: F-14 truly one of a kind. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk :smilewink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 :smilewink:"One of a kind" is a good way to describe the F-14. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheckGear Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 "One of a kind" is a good way to describe the F-14. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk It really is! That's one of my favorite documentaries. It was produced at a time when the Tomcat's best days were still ahead of it. Even TARPS was still years away from fielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Grumman really deserve a tip of the hat for their ingenuity. The USN handed them a very tall order and they delivered in spades. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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