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soviet boyz doesn't have such powerful turbofan engine to lift yak38s up, it's a pity for it.

and turbojet engine make it such lame, sigh.

 

Considering the time the Yak-38 was made and the size Yakolev had to work with to cram 3 engines into that small fuselage...Its a pretty good plane dude. The engines seem to make enough thrust and the damn thing carries 2x anti-shipping missiles, or 2x AGMs, or 4x rocket pods and/or 250kg bombs, or two 500kg bombs...Its basically (payload-wise) a Mig-21 that hovers.

 

Heck, it can carry RN-28 NUKES.

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2 nukes no less, double destruction!

Just imagine while lobbing the nuke the pilot gets ejected because funny ejection system, most stupid death EVER...

 

Whatever... Any mig between 23 and 29 is wellcome... Or Su 17 or 22....


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yeap, that 2 lift up engine and the main turbojet engine is the weakness of forger.

the left up engine is such heavy while cruise, and turbojet is uneconomical.

harrier has a enough thrusting turbofan, and also saving fuel.

and forger is still a good plane for that days.

but not good enough for the deck...

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Considering the time the Yak-38 was made and the size Yakolev had to work with to cram 3 engines into that small fuselage...Its a pretty good plane dude. The engines seem to make enough thrust and the damn thing carries 2x anti-shipping missiles, or 2x AGMs, or 4x rocket pods and/or 250kg bombs, or two 500kg bombs...Its basically (payload-wise) a Mig-21 that hovers.

 

Heck, it can carry RN-28 NUKES.

Wouldn't agree with you on the "...It's basically (payload-wise) a MiG-21..." part. But it certainly does hover! :D

 

Armaments wise it is a downgrade from the MiG-21bis. For the A-A role you get (if you opt for maximum missile load on the MiG-21bis) 4 less missiles! That's the amount of missiles an M-2000c carry's. Not to mention no R-3R's so no all aspect capability. :(

 

The A-G armament is basically the same so... Your right there! :)

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Wouldn't agree with you on the "...It's basically (payload-wise) a MiG-21..." part. But it certainly does hover! :D

 

Armaments wise it is a downgrade from the MiG-21bis. For the A-A role you get (if you opt for maximum missile load on the MiG-21bis) 4 less missiles! That's the amount of missiles an M-2000c carry's. Not to mention no R-3R's so no all aspect capability. :(

 

The A-G armament is basically the same so... Your right there! :)

 

Add that sexy shark like shape and dark blue color...... And an aberration of fuel consumption

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Considering the time the Yak-38 was made and the size Yakolev had to work with to cram 3 engines into that small fuselage...Its a pretty good plane dude. The engines seem to make enough thrust and the damn thing carries 2x anti-shipping missiles, or 2x AGMs, or 4x rocket pods and/or 250kg bombs, or two 500kg bombs...Its basically (payload-wise) a Mig-21 that hovers.

 

Heck, it can carry RN-28 NUKES.

 

Generally you right, Yak-38 had MiG-21 weapon system (excluding radar), the same gunsight with analog computer, the same navigation system ( RSBN-36 was a RSBN-5S modification ), max weapon payload for VTOL was 1100 kg, for STOL 1500 kg (later M variant aircrafts 1500 and 2000 kg accordingly ), tactical radius 185-580 km ( depending takeoff technic and overall payload, flight altitude ), max flight endurance 1h 40 min. So almost all data are very simmilar to MiG-21. Only speeds are smaller, but maneuverability was considered by pilots as much better like in MiG-21. What is interesting, Yak-38 units used MiG-21 as training aircrafts because of many simmilarities.

 

But realistically, I don't think that documentation will be possible to obtain for that aircraft.

 

And an aberration of fuel consumption

 

It's not about some big fuel consuption, but rather low amount of fuel, only 2976 kg.

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I am a sucker for both Red birds and obscure aircraft in general.

 

However, even I have to say "meh..." when it comes to Yak-38.

 

Anyway... in lieu of anything official from LN/MAG3, we can only go with the hints they have put in the coming soon page of their new web site.

 

It may or may not be pointing to next module but, what's certain is that it's a P-38 lightning's nose section.

 

Well thankfuly things are slowly becoming brighter for the Red side as well with MiG-19 more or less confirmed, Mi-24 semi confirmed, an eventual MiG-23 seem likely, and two seperate new mod teams are working on JF-17 and J-8 II. Finally, there is the Tu-22M3 project.

 

Some of these may fall by the wayside but at least we will be getting some red birds regardless of what the next LN bird might be :).

 

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I am a sucker for both Red birds and obscure aircraft in general.

 

However, even I have to say "meh..." when it comes to Yak-38.

 

Anyway... in lieu of anything official from LN/MAG3, we can only go with the hints they have put in the coming soon page of their new web site.

 

It may or may not be pointing to next module but, what's certain is that it's a P-38 lightning's nose section.

 

Well thankfuly things are slowly becoming brighter for the Red side as well with MiG-19 more or less confirmed, Mi-24 semi confirmed, an eventual MiG-23 seem likely, and two seperate new mod teams are working on JF-17 and J-8 II. Finally, there is the Tu-22M3 project.

 

Some of these may fall by the wayside but at least we will be getting some red birds regardless of what the next LN bird might be :).

 

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We will get them. But it's always fun to speculate about a MiG-23 being developed. After all RAZBAMs one was rejected due to it "conflicting with already established plans". Seems a lot to me that someone has plans or is making one! :D

 

Or not, and I am just dreaming... ;)

 

However in the unlikely case that it is being developed, we have but one question... By whom? Leatherneck just seems likely, since they are the only ones to ever make a full fidelity Russian 3(or up)-gen fighter in DCS. Maybe They have it planned for the future after their likely P-38 project?

 

I still can't let go of the (likely false) hope that someone is developing a MiG-23 for DCS. :D

 

And luckily it does indeed seem like we are getting more Eastern designs to learn and master in DCS. :)

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It seems like its both JF17 and JH7 btw from Deka. If they do make it as a developer that should basically balance things out for red quite nicely. Some more Soviet stuff to pad things out would certainly not be bad though.

However I am not sure they will apply for 3rd-party status. If not then we sadly wont be able to use the aircraft in MP, accept some special servers which allow for mods. But... Ya' gotta hope! :D

 

Also, me wanty MiG-23'y! :3

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It seems like its both JF17 and JH7 btw from Deka. If they do make it as a developer that should basically balance things out for red quite nicely. Some more Soviet stuff to pad things out would certainly not be bad though.

 

id love to know the source material they are using on that. considering there doesn't seem to be any publicly available manual AFAIK ( and it they did not mention it being a MIl contract, which in that case they may have been privy to information most wouldn't be to)

 

I cant help but feel it going to be one of those aircraft compromised of small snipets of public information mixed with maybe foreign ( or private information group ) intelligence estimates and mixed with some personal developer guesstimates of aircraft capabilities ( almost like Razbams M2K), though unlike the M2K given significantly more complexities like MFDS and multiple pages/ software, how accurate will it really be?

 

Dont get me wrong i dont want to sound negative, Believe me i would like to see redfor get 4th generation mulirole Aircraft with comparable electronics to 4th generation 90s- 2000s aircraft.


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id love to know the source material they are using on that. considering there doesn't seem to be any publicly available manual AFAIK ( and it they did not mention it being a MIl contract, which in that case they may have been privy to information most wouldn't be to)

 

I cant help but feel it going to be one of those aircraft compromised of small snipets of public information mixed with maybe foreign ( or private information group ) intelligence estimates and mixed with some personal developer guesstimates of aircraft capabilities ( almost like Razbams M2K), though unlike the M2K given significantly more complexities like MFDS and multiple pages/ software, how accurate will it really be?

 

Dont get me wrong i dont want to sound negative, Believe me i would like to see redfor get 4th generation mulirole Aircraft with comparable electronics to 4th generation 90s- 2000s aircraft.

Same concerns here... :(

 

Well, lets hope they aren't too secretive about it. After all it isn't that great of a fighter, it's designed for numbers. But will certainly be a massive improvement for the RED team! :D

 

Gonna be great! :) That is if it all works out... :I


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id love to know the source material they are using on that. considering there doesn't seem to be any publicly available manual AFAIK ( and it they did not mention it being a MIl contract, which in that case they may have been privy to information most wouldn't be to)

 

I cant help but feel it going to be one of those aircraft compromised of small snipets of public information mixed with maybe foreign ( or private information group ) intelligence estimates and mixed with some personal developer guesstimates of aircraft capabilities ( almost like Razbams M2K), though unlike the M2K given significantly more complexities like MFDS and multiple pages/ software, how accurate will it really be?

 

Dont get me wrong i dont want to sound negative, Believe me i would like to see redfor get 4th generation mulirole Aircraft with comparable electronics to 4th generation 90s- 2000s aircraft.

 

The model after the export version. More here https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=186743

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The "Thunder" could be fun and all... But hoping for ma' MiG-23. :)

 

BTW 10 pages! :D

 

Now lets post until 23 to... Well, you get the point. ;)

 

Also, what would you guys think about an Su-15TM module? It would avionics wise be the bigger brother of the MiG-21bis, sacrificing some maneuverability and A-G weapons in the process. But who am I kidding, MiG-23 would be a better option. >:]

 

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Su-15TM

 

AVIONICS: "Taifun-M"

 

Detection range: high/low flying targets 70km/15km

 

Lock range: high/low flying targets 40km/10km

 

Detection envelope: +30°/-10° Vertical; +/- 70° Horizontal

 

WEAPONS: 2x R-98MR/MT (Range: 23km); 4x R-60 (Range: 8km); optional 2x gun pods (a practical must because as far as I know it did not carry a gun)

 

WING LOADING: 555 kg/m²

 

CLIMB RATE: 228 m/s

 

COMBAT RADIUS: 725 Km

 

MAX SPEED: Mach 2.1 (2,230 km/h) loaded at high altitude.

 

SERVICE CEILING: 18,100 m


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The model after the export version. More here https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=186743

 

yes, but still no public source material....

 

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Same concerns here... :(

 

Well, lets hope they aren't too secretive about it. After all it isn't that great of a fighter, it's designed for numbers. But will certainly be a massive improvement for the RED team! :D

 

Gonna be great! :) That is if it all works out... :I

 

JF17 not that great of a fighter? well it doesnt have a combat record to speak for it, but just becasue its export and cheap i wouldnt write it off as not great. F16 or F18 is not useless cannon fodder aircraft even if they aren't currently state of the art or have the sort of Air superiority capabilities as an F15.

 

Cheap perhaps, but the tech doesn't ( at least visually) look antiquated. Not state of the art, but capabilities do still seem comparable to western 4th generation A/C like the F-16 or F/A18.

 

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JF17 not that great of a fighter? well it doesnt have a combat record to speak for it, but just becasue its export and cheap i wouldnt write it off as not great. F16 or F18 is not useless cannon fodder aircraft even if they aren't currently state of the art or have the sort of Air superiority capabilities as an F15.

 

Cheap perhaps, but the tech doesn't ( at least visually) look antiquated. Not state of the art, but capabilities do still seem comparable to western 4th generation A/C like the F-16 or F/A18.

I did sound a bit too negative in that post, but quantity is a quality in itself. :)

 

It was (at least as far as I know) designed to be cheap. That meant that for such a new design it has the tech of a much older aircraft. And it worries me that even the Chinese (who were involved in the development) didn't buy it.

 

So as far as i know it is the Chinese/Pakistani equivalent of the FA-50 or Yak-130. A cheap but competent design for not so rich countries. Of course unlike them the JF-17 doesn't also have the functionality of a trainer.

 

And in the somewhat older DCS arena it is going to be a very competitive multi-role design! A good counterpart to the F/A-18 (minus the whole carrier part...). :D

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I did sound a bit too negative in that post, but quantity is a quality in itself. :)

 

It was (at least as far as I know) designed to be cheap. That meant that for such a new design it has the tech of a much older aircraft. And it worries me that even the Chinese (who were involved in the development) didn't buy it.

 

So as far as i know it is the Chinese/Pakistani equivalent of the FA-50 or Yak-130. A cheap but competent design for not so rich countries. Of course unlike them the JF-17 doesn't also have the functionality of a trainer.

 

And in the somewhat older DCS arena it is going to be a very competitive multi-role design! A good counterpart to the F/A-18 (minus the whole carrier part...). :D

 

well nothing you can do there. No redforce country has the sort of modern super carrier like the Nimitz class, or type of versatile multi role aircraft us has for carrier operations. Closest maybe maybe for Russia, bust still not quite on the same level, with just a single small admiral Kutuzov carrier , having formerly operated the Su33 ( which tbh was really just a navalized Su27, an AS platform with secondary Strike) Or today with a navalized Mig29K ( which does have a glass pit and more modern electronics). But even then given just 1 carrier there so much fewer of them than there are Hornets or Super Hornets.


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well nothing you can do there. No redforce country has the sort of modern super carrier like the Nimitz class, or type of versatile multi role aircraft us has for carrier operations. Closest maybe maybe for Russia, bust still not quite on the same level, with just a single small admiral Kutuzov carrier , having formerly operated the Su33 ( which tbh was really just a navalized Su27, an AS platform with secondary Strike) Or today with a navalized Mig29K ( which does have a glass pit and more modern electronics). But even then given just 1 carrier there so much fewer of them than there are Hornets or Super Hornets.

Yup indeed, the Russians don't seem to have too much of a focus on naval aviation. After all they have their friends and enemies right next to them (except the US). Which means that you don't have to cross an ocean just to get to a major war (if on ever breaks out).

 

Welp again, nothing we can do. The Caucasus isn't that focused on naval action anyway. Most of the stuff happens in the mountains. But the good thing with carrier capable stuff is that it's carrier capable, not exclusive. :)

 

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P-38 would be a dream, I hope that's a real thing. :)

Would indeed be a dream thing, but I'm hoping for something Russian next. I also think that it is the most likely candidate for what they are cooking... Maybe a Japanese or Russian WW2 era bird next?

 

Anyways my favorite option would be a MiG-23 or Su-15, with the Su-24, Su-22, and Mil-24 coming in at a close second. But the P-38 would be an awesome bird to have as well! With it's for the time quite capable multi-role capability and amazing speed it will for sure be very good. Also the 2 engines should also offer some interesting scenarios where you return to base on only one.

 

So it should be a capable heavily armed fighter with quite heavy attack capabilities and awesome speed for it's time. Also take into account the good performance at altitude and you have a bird that can do everything! From fast low level attack to escort duties this bird will be truly awesome!

 

That is if we get it... So please, someone make it! Someone also make a MiG-23! Which I hope is currently being made because RAZBAM making one "conflicted with already existing plans"... :D

 

Though with my biases I would give priority to the MiG-23. ;)


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P-38 actually did rather poor as an escort over EU when compared to how it did in Africa and the Pacific. I personally think it was a lot of the tactics used, but also the FW-190 and ME-109 were fantastic planes well into the war. There are lots of stories of P-38 pilots doing amazing stuff vs the Luftwaffe, but it does seem to have held the same advantages that it did over the Japanese warbirds.

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P-38 actually did rather poor as an escort over EU when compared to how it did in Africa and the Pacific. I personally think it was a lot of the tactics used, but also the FW-190 and ME-109 were fantastic planes well into the war. There are lots of stories of P-38 pilots doing amazing stuff vs the Luftwaffe, but it does seem to have held the same advantages that it did over the Japanese warbirds.

Yup, but we sadly don't have any Japanese WW2 aircraft in the game. So FW-190 and BF-109 it is for opponents.

 

It still could do quite well as a fighter in my opinion. I think P-38 players would focus on high altitude when patrolling, and low altitude high speed runs when attacking. Though you never know the DCS community. We like to do some strange things... ;)

 

Though to be honest any bird is welcome in DCS, if it is a high enough quality module. And of course I tend to have a bit of a bias towards both RED and WW2 birds, just because wo don't have much of them. Meanwhile we could also use some new helicopters.

 

The Mil-24 seems to be in development (correct me if I'm wrong), so that's both a RED bird and a helo. :D

 

My choices for modules we need (well sorta, it's basically a wishlist):

 

- AH-1/64 (we don't have a BLUE attack helicopter*)

 

- MiG-23/29[early] or Su-15 (we don't have a full fidelity late Cold-War/modern RED fighter)

 

- Su-22/24/25 (we don't have a full fidelity RED late Cold-War/modern striker)

 

- F6F or F4F/A6M2 or Ki-43/Yak-1 or La-5 (we don't have Pacific** or, BF-109 and WF-190 aside, Eastern front WW2 aircraft)

 

- Any bomber: B-52; Tu-95; Tu-22M; B-1; Tu-160 (as we don't currently have one)

 

* I wouldn't count the Gazelle as a full on attack helo (like the Ka-50) since it's limited armament.

 

** P-51 is way more famous for it's role in the Western Front and did not play a huge role in the Pacific due to it not being a carrier aircraft.

 

But those are all just dreams. I would also like to point out that I did not take into account every module that is being developed because the list would be even bigger and even more unrealistic to ever happen! For example no Super-Sabre, though that would be needed for the MiG-19p. :)

 

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I would like to further point out that I took any aircraft that is currently being developed (that I know of) off the list. For example the F/A-18.


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Would indeed be a dream thing, but I'm hoping for something Russian next. I also think that it is the most likely candidate for what they are cooking... Maybe a Japanese or Russian WW2 era bird next?

 

Well, since the second "franchise" in production is called "DCS:WWII - Europe 1944-1945" I bet on an American or Russian plane:music_whistling:

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