St. Agre Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Both the S-300 and Patriot use TVM (Track-via-Missile) guidance instead of Command Guidance or SARH. I've been lead to believe that this method of guidance means it is not possible to detect a launch vs. just a normal hard lock, and as such the S-300 and Patriot systems should not give a launch warning when engaging a target, only a lock warning. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOPR Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 RWR is an radio receiver. It can’t determine if a missile is launched. It can only detect radio emissions that are directed toward you, and assign a category or type. Per Wikipedia, TVM uses an Illuminati and is just not smart enough to guide itself. Also, I get S300 and Patriot launch warnings frequently. In DCS, you know when they launch, it just may not always be at you. It could be someone closer to the SAM site than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Agre Posted April 7, 2020 Author Share Posted April 7, 2020 RWR is an radio receiver. It can’t determine if a missile is launched. It can only detect radio emissions that are directed toward you, and assign a category or type. Per Wikipedia, TVM uses an Illuminati and is just not smart enough to guide itself. Also, I get S300 and Patriot launch warnings frequently. In DCS, you know when they launch, it just may not always be at you. It could be someone closer to the SAM site than you. I'm fully aware of how they work in DCS, what I'm asking is if this is correct. As far as I can tell, the S-300 and Patriot shouldn't change their radar signatures enough during a missile launch for your RWR to distinguish between, say, an S-300 that is locking you and an S-300 that is supporting a missile toward you. I'm pretty sure DCS modelling of these two systems is incorrect, is what I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I remember times when you would not get RWR indications from an SA-10 that it has launched at you and you would just die in the A-10 :lol: 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorianR666 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 i dont know whether it should or not, the precise abilities are kept secret. however id like to point out that in the Other Sim, S-300 launch doesnt trigger RWR launch warning which makes it far more scary. it would make sense for it to be this way, i agree, but i dont think nobody can prove it so it always remains a speculation. it would also mean launching AMRAAMs in STT shouldnt trigger launch warning, its the same case - there is no change in radar signature before/after launch, the missile is guided over datalink (and it also behaves that way in the Other Sim). CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X GPU: AMD RX 580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk2174 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 The current SA10B uses the 5V55R which is a SARH missile not TVM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 And what about the patriot version we have in DCS? In the gulf War a RAF tornado was shot down by one, I presume he did not maneuver at any moment as he did not detect a launch warning on his RWRThis would make them much more scarier in DCS. Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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