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Old 08-23-2017, 08:21 PM   #21
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Yes, I know but planes need to be trimmed constantly. I'm sure the pilots didn't like it either. At least they put pitch trim on the 190.
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109 also has pitch trim?
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Without it, you can't pull up from a dive at very high speed.. those stick forces..

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Ok, I don't own it. I thought all trim was set on the ground.
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Old 08-24-2017, 12:13 AM   #25
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Ok, I don't own it. I thought all trim was set on the ground.
no, only aileron and rudder trims are set on the ground in options/special tab. elevator trim is in the plane and player modified like the P-51D. I tend to think this airplane is an evolution from the Fokker WWI stuff. And you can guess the amount of forward stick from rise of flight.

I usually set my rudder trim to a target speed and hold aileron trim the same amount in the opposite direction. This usually means having hands on the stick all the time since they are not modifiable inflight. Elevator trim is also sensitive you must use a rotary encoder as opposed to the hat switch. At least thats my opinion. Otherwise, in a dive past 500 kph, your stick is useless...
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I apologize if this has been asked, but I was curious how those who have a lot of time in the 109 control the tendency for the plane to want to roll clockwise during flight with no rudder trim or aileron trim settings? At the moment, I've been just adding small rudder and roll inputs to keep her flying straight. I can trim out the 51, 190, and Spit to fly pretty stable, but in the 109 - without trim tabs on 2 of the 3 surfaces - not so much. Is this normal, or am I missing something? Thanks.
Bf-109K-4 Real (not easy mode)

Options, Special Tab
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Aileron Trim = +2

Rudder Trim = -20

Takeoff Assistance = 0


I use CH Products of Fighterstick, Pro Pedals, Pro Throttle - all set 100% Saturation

I use the CH Control Manager for all my setups.


Options, Controls Tab, Axis Commands, Axis Tune
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Roll = +10

Rudder Dead Zone = +2

Rudder Curvature = +31


I use my thumb Hat switch on my Fighterstick of Down Pitch and Up Pitch (two separate moves).


I figured out my setup by a lot of experimenting and many, many flights over a few months.

These settings will get you in the ballpark of a fairly neutral setup, but my hand is always on the stick and feet on the rudder pedals.

I am usually flying in 2.1.1 OpenAlpha "Burning Skies" server in MP.

Lately feeling out Blue Flag Normandy (DCS Israel server) and also the ACG server.

I flew Ka-50 forever. Now just fly the 109. I probably forgot how to fly the Shark; it would come back in a few days on the 104th's server.
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Detective McLane, might have to try these. Thanks
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Bf-109K-4 Real (not easy mode)

Options, Special Tab
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Aileron Trim = +2

Rudder Trim = -20

Takeoff Assistance = 0


I use CH Products of Fighterstick, Pro Pedals, Pro Throttle - all set 100% Saturation

I use the CH Control Manager for all my setups.


Options, Controls Tab, Axis Commands, Axis Tune
===============================
Roll = +10

Rudder Dead Zone = +2

Rudder Curvature = +31


I use my thumb Hat switch on my Fighterstick of Down Pitch and Up Pitch (two separate moves).


I figured out my setup by a lot of experimenting and many, many flights over a few months.

These settings will get you in the ballpark of a fairly neutral setup, but my hand is always on the stick and feet on the rudder pedals.

I am usually flying in 2.1.1 OpenAlpha "Burning Skies" server in MP.

Lately feeling out Blue Flag Normandy (DCS Israel server) and also the ACG server.

I flew Ka-50 forever. Now just fly the 109. I probably forgot how to fly the Shark; it would come back in a few days on the 104th's server.
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