Aviators Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I was willing to buy, but after this video, I have some doubts. is it really so poor as quality? L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Umm ok, but that video seemed to be a very positive review?? Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deezle Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Not sure what you're on about, nothing I saw in that video would stop me from buying one. Intel 9600K@4.9GHz, Asus Z390, 32GB DDR4, EVGA RTX 3070, Custom Water Cooling, 970 EVO 1TB NVMe 34" UltraWide 3440x1440 Curved Monitor, 21" Touch Screen MFD monitor, TIR5 My Pit Build, VKB Gunfighter Pro w/WH Grip, TMWH Throttle, MFG Crosswinds W/Combat Pedals, Cougar MFDs, Custom A-10C panels, Custom Helo Collective, SimShaker with Transducer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre_Ewan Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Man Buys Mt-50. What Happened Next Will Surprise You! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 OK, I'm confused. That seemed like a very positive review. System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokol1_br Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Umm ok, but that video seemed to be a very positive review?? And why not? He don't find any "game stop". Is know since day one that VPC grips shells, buttons, HAT's are made in plastic (and not in jewelry metal) - cast receive 8.5 note, seems fair compared with 10 of the previous teardown - Warthog. Switches under plastic cap are OMRON (used too by CH and VKB) - better than open copper membrane use in an "famous" stick or switches in Saitek's. The hot glue fixing connectors make interior looks "handicraft" but are common in low production electronics. Saitek's love this. :D Wires look's a bit more thick than in CH sticks - know for last decades. Opera resume: grip assembly are not in Iphone standards, but seems functional. :joystick: Edited March 10, 2019 by Sokol1_br Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviators Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 has also created other videos about the hotas warthog and VKB. this of virpil ranked third... look at the final score L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I took apart the throttle yesterday. Apart from the funny amount of hot glue and a couple of hand filed plastic parts, all looks very simple and modular, very solid. I was impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 OP, are you focusing on the grip, or grip and base? System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barefoot Bandit Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Yeah... I'm not seeing any issues there, it's pretty typical for high-end, hand made products of any type to be like this. It may not look like an iProduct internally, but, you can also DIY repair it easily if need be, unlike say, an iProduct... Z... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team USSR_Rik Posted March 12, 2019 ED Team Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Aviators, perfect links, many thanks. I see only one device created by people with good engineering skill - VKB MCG. Edited March 12, 2019 by USSR_Rik Men may keep a sort of level of good, but no man has ever been able to keep on one level of evil. That road goes down and down. Можно держаться на одном уровне добра, но никому и никогда не удавалось удержаться на одном уровне зла. Эта дорога ведёт вниз и вниз. G.K. Chesterton DCS World 2.5: Часто задаваемые вопросы Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Honestly, all 3: VKB, VPC and TMWH have grips that are all about the same. Each have pros/cons or something you might prefer in one over the other. For me, I cannot stand the short Hat-switch movement of the VKB/VPC. The TMWH Trimmer hat feels so much better. But anyone would be happy with any of those options. I'm particularly interested in the new VPC stick with additional push buttons on hats. But I don't think I'll get over the the TMWH hat switch. My Simpit Progress and Update Learn how to build a SimPit like mine: Follow my Blog here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Does Thrustmaster sell the WH grip separately? System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBamse Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 yes they do, I even saw a price tag in another thread not that many months ago. I think it was like ~$120 or so .... but don't take my word for it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviators Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 I don't want to advertise negatively. I'm just trying to clarify and understand the product. I was willing to buy, and I hope the VPC team gets better with time. L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I don't want to advertise negatively. I'm just trying to clarify and understand the product. I was willing to buy, and I hope the VPC team gets better with time. No problem, we were just trying to understand what in that video review gave you the poor impression. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I don't see anything "poor" in that grip. Instead a very very good design. I do say two things, that the amount of hotglue is a good thing, but can make parts swapping just little more difficult. And the only thing that I personally find as negative is the plastic break leveler that I would think I would some day pull to two pieces. Otherwise I don't see anything wrong in that grip. When a cheap Saitek/Logitech grips survive, then those will survive 100th times better. And when it comes to bases, that is where the difference is. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokol1_br Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 For me, I cannot stand the short Hat-switch movement of the VKB/VPC. The TMWH Trimmer hat feels so much better. ... VPC stick with additional push buttons on hats. But I don't think I'll get over the the TMWH hat switch. In this you are right, Tm HAT's construction use an dedicated spring for add "weight" in HAT operation, VKB/VPC/CH/Saitek use just the micro-switch copper membrane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I can't stand the DCS input system for the trimmer buttons, you can't do any fine trimming with them as you need to do shortest possible press of any trimming button to get the trimming accurate. I am constantly balancing trimming with half to one degree accuracy and I can get better leveling without trimming then. The TM WH trimmer is even worse as it doesn't have possibility to quickly tap the trim so you get instant feedback that it is done. Where a such flexible hat is nice is when you need to do the confirmation by that larger motion of hat direction for example select the the display or weapon. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swine Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Isn’t the real F-18 stick made out of resin? I had heard that but I’m not 100 percent on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barefoot Bandit Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I don't see anything "poor" in that grip. Instead a very very good design. I do say two things, that the amount of hotglue is a good thing, but can make parts swapping just little more difficult. And the only thing that I personally find as negative is the plastic break leveler that I would think I would some day pull to two pieces. Otherwise I don't see anything wrong in that grip. When a cheap Saitek/Logitech grips survive, then those will survive 100th times better. And when it comes to bases, that is where the difference is. I would like to see a metal replacement for that - the analog operation, coupled with the thin plastic makes it feel very vague for me. Otherwise, I think the new TM50 v2 hits the mark. Z... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviators Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 my doubt is seen the low score compared to the warthog hotas. L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokol1_br Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Is just one guy opinion, most people will consider VKB casting better, but he give lower note for this - probable due issue with embed bolt nuts in some (VKB) grips. VKB grip electronics are completely different - and has advanced features, than Warthog/VPC, but he give same note for Warthog/VKB. VPC/Warthog grip electronics is the same (CD4021 shift register). Edited March 13, 2019 by Sokol1_br Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviators Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Thanks L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team USSR_Rik Posted March 14, 2019 ED Team Share Posted March 14, 2019 These video are useful 'as is' because of we can see internal grips structure and make our own verdicts. Score and range are personal author opinion, no more, because of no clear criteria. But regarding Electronics and Engineering: you can just compare 'spaghetti' in TM and VPC devices with wires in VKB - it's enough. A huge qty of hot glue in first two grips also says about engineering... guys, it's 'homemade' design and technology (despite of TM is well known and enough old company). Not too bad to glue some wires in some dots by hot glue, but here we see mass use of it. BTW, brass thread inserts in VKB grip is sign of good and robust design. Processor in VKB joystick is modern Cortex 32-bit chip. It allows to get perfect firmware right now and have very good perspectives. Perfect engineering? Surely. Men may keep a sort of level of good, but no man has ever been able to keep on one level of evil. That road goes down and down. Можно держаться на одном уровне добра, но никому и никогда не удавалось удержаться на одном уровне зла. Эта дорога ведёт вниз и вниз. G.K. Chesterton DCS World 2.5: Часто задаваемые вопросы Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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