tifafan Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 AFAIK Stack can be joined from any direction, but in the way in which the arrows show. (Imagine putting arrows all along the entire circle) Spin pattern is the pink circle and is only flown in case of a full pattern, I.e if two planes are in front of the ship and heading for the abeam the pattern is full. I have not found a clear definition for Strike, but i would guess Strike helps Red Crown with protecting airspace and doing IFF Checks. So when the pattern is not full,the planes in spin pattern have higher priority to heading to initial? Then they descend to 800 and meet position 1 at 800 feet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kola360 Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 yes, however the spin does not go to initial it goes directly to the break and into the pattern. Position 1 is in the stack and at 2000 ft minimum, while spin is at 1200 ft and inital - break is at 800 ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbers_ Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 How to enter the stack? It has to be in the two specified routines? Stack entry can be from 1,3,4 positions, but not 2 cause it would require you to cross the bow of the ship where planes are possibly launching into. So typically you want to enter at 1,3,4 Twitch2DCS - Bring twitch chat into DCS. SplashOneGaming.com - Splash One is a community built on combat flight simulation. S1G Discord twitch / youtube / facebook / twitter / discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doum76 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Thanks for the updated chart man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) Stack entry can be from 1,3,4 positions, but not 2 cause it would require you to cross the bow of the ship where planes are possibly launching into. So typically you want to enter at 1,3,4 Case I/II departures are kept to 500ft until 10mn (I think it is), so this isn't an issue. Edited July 12, 2018 by Flamin_Squirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifafan Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Thank you for replying me. Edited July 13, 2018 by tifafan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifafan Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Case I/II departures are kept to 500ft until 10mn (I think it is), so this isn't an issue. AFAIK it's 500ft until 7nm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Yep you're right, 10nm is the departure arc for Case II/III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack McCoy Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 VMC: VFR Meteorological Conditions IMC: IFR Meteorological Conditions i7-7700K@4.8GHz, 16Gb-3200, GTX-1080Ti-Strix-11Gb, Maximus IX Hero, Oculus Rift, Thrustmaster Warthog+F/A-18C, Logitech G940 Pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doum76 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) VMC: VFR Meteorological Conditions IMC: IFR Meteorological Conditions A simple Visual Meteorological conditions and Instruments Meteorological Conditions could do it. Edited July 14, 2018 by Doum76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Nice aid. thanks a lot. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurgon Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 This chart is brilliant! :thumbup: Thanks a lot for putting it together. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbers_ Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Case I/II departures are kept to 500ft until 10mn (I think it is), so this isn't an issue. While that is true, its still not done, info came from the hornet driver I had help with my CASE I video. Twitch2DCS - Bring twitch chat into DCS. SplashOneGaming.com - Splash One is a community built on combat flight simulation. S1G Discord twitch / youtube / facebook / twitter / discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Thanks for the great work Kola! Some questions to anyone who knows: How do the pilots know when the stack collapses, i.e. when they have to go from stack N to stack N-1? Is the position of the holding pattern (center of the circle) constantly updated since the carrier is moving? How many aircraft are allowed per stack? Thanks :) A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Thanks for the great work Kola! Some questions to anyone who knows: How do the pilots know when the stack collapses, i.e. when they have to go from stack N to stack N-1? Is the position of the holding pattern (center of the circle) constantly updated since the carrier is moving? How many aircraft are allowed per stack? Thanks :) 2) Follow the ship As far as comms go, you'll get a normal check-in with marshal on button 16, after they read the Case recovery, BRC, and altimeter, they'll tell you to give a "See me at 10(NM)". Once you are at 10 NM with Mom in sight, you'll say "[side Number], see you at ten" to which Marshal will reply, "Roger, go button 1." From there, you'll be zip lip on button 1. Squadrons have assigned altitudes in the stack. 2 fighter squadrons at 2K, 2 fighter squadrons at 3K, Growlers or Prowlers at 4K, Hawkeyes at 5K, and recovery tanker at 6K. You must be at your squadron assigned altitude by 10 NM. You can hold as 1-4 aircraft (single all the way up to a division). If there are 2 divisions at the same altitude for example, they will hold cross circle from each other. There are no EATs in Case 1. It's a visual determination based on literally looking down at the deck and determining how many aircraft there are left to launch to set yourself up for commencing with proper timing. The first plane (and any wingmen he has) at 2K in the proper timing to commence will do so, followed by the other plane (and any wingmen he has). Once an altitude has been vacated the stack will collapse down. For example, once everyone has commenced out of 2K the aircraft at 3K will descend (aft and abeam the ship) to 2K, the aircraft at 4K will go down to 3K, etc. Keep in mind, all of this is done zip lip. If it sounds like the wild west, well, that's because it basically is. Thread https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3595217#post3595217 i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fael097 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 in "strike, 405, flight of 4, mother's 250 for 55, angels 12, state 5.4. No Alibis", what's the state 5.4? also is 250 the pilot's current air speed? Rafael Ryzen 7 1800x @ 4ghz | MSI GTX 980ti | 32gb DDR4 Ballistix 2400Mhz | Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero (wi-fi) | 480Gb Kingston NVMe ssd | Western Digital 1TB x2 | EVGA 850w PSU | Noctua NH-D14 | NZXT S240 | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | 4k 50" Philips android TV | Dell P2418D | Oculus Rift S | Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3595217#post3595217 Thanks mate, that's great stuff :thumbup: A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 in "strike, 405, flight of 4, mother's 250 for 55, angels 12, state 5.4. No Alibis", what's the state 5.4? also is 250 the pilot's current air speed?Mother refers to the carrier.. Perhaps it's carrier course with winds across the deck.. State 5.4 is 5400lbs of fuel. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fael097 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Mother refers to the carrier.. Perhaps it's carrier course with winds across the deck.. State 5.4 is 5400lbs of fuel. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk oh, fuel, of course. thanks! but regarding the 250, since BRC is 000 in this example I don't think it has to do with the carrier course. it looks like 405 itself has a heading of 250, but then why does it say that mother's 250? I get really confused with their lingo Rafael Ryzen 7 1800x @ 4ghz | MSI GTX 980ti | 32gb DDR4 Ballistix 2400Mhz | Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero (wi-fi) | 480Gb Kingston NVMe ssd | Western Digital 1TB x2 | EVGA 850w PSU | Noctua NH-D14 | NZXT S240 | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | 4k 50" Philips android TV | Dell P2418D | Oculus Rift S | Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 250 for 55 should mean the carrier is 250 degrees and 55mn from your current position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky-hendrix Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Mother's 250 should be the current radial they are on. The 250 radial means you would be flying 250° FROM the boat with a centered needle. Inbound would be the reciprocal which is 070°. Keep in mind that unlike a ground based navaid the ship can turn so that 250 radial is only 250° when mother is steaming on a heading of 000°. If BRC is 010° the 250 radial would be 260° outbound.No, makes no sense, radial are always given as a bearing from mag North. Whatever is the ship course How could the pilot know what is the current ship BRC if the ship is turning? There is no aircraft instruments capable of giving this information Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Watch a video or look at a chart. The part I got wrong is the radials are calculated from Final Bearing and not BRC. Watch Wags or Jabbers videos. The 180 radial is the extended runway centerline. Think about if the boat is steaming south and you get the 250 radial. With your logic that puts you in front of the boat off the starboard side. How would you conduct an approach from there? No. lucky-hendrix is correct. Radials are always given from mag north whatever the ship's course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erautour Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyTail Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Nice chart Kola! Just a few things from the other comments: Marshal can be entered tangentially from any direction. Launching aircraft do stay at 500' until 7nm, but it is generally smart to stay away from the bow of the ship when coming back towards the stack at launch time. Marshal won't give you an altitude during Case 1 because there are squadron assigned altitudes for the stack. 2 fighter squadrons at 2K, 2 fighter squadrons at 3K, Growlers/Prowlers at 4K, the mighty Hawkeye at 5K, and the Tanker at 6K. CODs will generally hold at 1.2K if they are in that recovery, but if they are arriving late to the party, they will be put up with the Hawkeye. If there are 2 flights at the same altitude, they will simply hold cross-circle from either other. If 4 flights are at the same altitude, they will all hold 90 degrees off from each other. There are no set holding speeds, but I believe 250 is pretty common for the hornets. Everything is done visually, too. You know when to collapse the stack (come down to the next lower altitude) by simply looking outside and judging when the aircraft below you have vacated their altitude. The spin pattern is flown within 3 miles at 1200' and spin traffic has priority for the "initial" although generally, they are just flown to a shorter initial (1nm aft for example). It truly is the wild west out there, but it is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1GHTS-ON Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Great answer MoneyTrail - thanks Am I correct in stating that Red Crown (based on accompanying CG/DD) is effectively the "nightclub bouncer" with a list of who's entitled to enter & leave the Air Defence Zone around the CV. His "list" is the ATO (Air Tasking Order) but he provides NO ATC service. c/s MARSHALL provides the ATC function within the CV CCZ (Carrier Control Zone) with STRIKE just being a working freq that sorts out the other admin? It would be great if DCS allowed the Bot DD/FF escorts to shoot at any aircraft approaching the carrier not wearing the correct IFF code......mind you, I struggle to get all the other switches made correctly for recovery, so adding yet another complication would so overload my simple brain :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts