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AFAIK Stack can be joined from any direction, but in the way in which the arrows show. (Imagine putting arrows all along the entire circle)

 

Spin pattern is the pink circle and is only flown in case of a full pattern, I.e if two planes are in front of the ship and heading for the abeam the pattern is full.

 

I have not found a clear definition for Strike, but i would guess Strike helps Red Crown with protecting airspace and doing IFF Checks.

 

 

So when the pattern is not full,the planes in spin pattern have higher priority to heading to initial?

Then they descend to 800 and meet position 1 at 800 feet?

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yes, however the spin does not go to initial it goes directly to the break and into the pattern. Position 1 is in the stack and at 2000 ft minimum, while spin is at 1200 ft and inital - break is at 800 ft.

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How to enter the stack?

It has to be in the two specified routines?

 

Stack entry can be from 1,3,4 positions, but not 2 cause it would require you to cross the bow of the ship where planes are possibly launching into. So typically you want to enter at 1,3,4

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Stack entry can be from 1,3,4 positions, but not 2 cause it would require you to cross the bow of the ship where planes are possibly launching into. So typically you want to enter at 1,3,4

 

Case I/II departures are kept to 500ft until 10mn (I think it is), so this isn't an issue.


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Case I/II departures are kept to 500ft until 10mn (I think it is), so this isn't an issue.

 

While that is true, its still not done, info came from the hornet driver I had help with my CASE I video.

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Thanks for the great work Kola!

 

Some questions to anyone who knows:

  1. How do the pilots know when the stack collapses, i.e. when they have to go from stack N to stack N-1?
  2. Is the position of the holding pattern (center of the circle) constantly updated since the carrier is moving?
  3. How many aircraft are allowed per stack?

 

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Thanks for the great work Kola!

 

Some questions to anyone who knows:

  1. How do the pilots know when the stack collapses, i.e. when they have to go from stack N to stack N-1?
  2. Is the position of the holding pattern (center of the circle) constantly updated since the carrier is moving?
  3. How many aircraft are allowed per stack?

 

Thanks :)

 

2) Follow the ship

 

As far as comms go, you'll get a normal check-in with marshal on button 16, after they read the Case recovery, BRC, and altimeter, they'll tell you to give a "See me at 10(NM)". Once you are at 10 NM with Mom in sight, you'll say "[side Number], see you at ten" to which Marshal will reply, "Roger, go button 1." From there, you'll be zip lip on button 1.

 

Squadrons have assigned altitudes in the stack. 2 fighter squadrons at 2K, 2 fighter squadrons at 3K, Growlers or Prowlers at 4K, Hawkeyes at 5K, and recovery tanker at 6K. You must be at your squadron assigned altitude by 10 NM. You can hold as 1-4 aircraft (single all the way up to a division). If there are 2 divisions at the same altitude for example, they will hold cross circle from each other.

 

There are no EATs in Case 1. It's a visual determination based on literally looking down at the deck and determining how many aircraft there are left to launch to set yourself up for commencing with proper timing. The first plane (and any wingmen he has) at 2K in the proper timing to commence will do so, followed by the other plane (and any wingmen he has). Once an altitude has been vacated the stack will collapse down. For example, once everyone has commenced out of 2K the aircraft at 3K will descend (aft and abeam the ship) to 2K, the aircraft at 4K will go down to 3K, etc.

 

Keep in mind, all of this is done zip lip. If it sounds like the wild west, well, that's because it basically is.

 

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in "strike, 405, flight of 4, mother's 250 for 55, angels 12, state 5.4. No Alibis", what's the state 5.4? also is 250 the pilot's current air speed?

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Thanks mate, that's great stuff :thumbup:

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in "strike, 405, flight of 4, mother's 250 for 55, angels 12, state 5.4. No Alibis", what's the state 5.4? also is 250 the pilot's current air speed?
Mother refers to the carrier.. Perhaps it's carrier course with winds across the deck.. State 5.4 is 5400lbs of fuel.

 

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Mother refers to the carrier.. Perhaps it's carrier course with winds across the deck.. State 5.4 is 5400lbs of fuel.

 

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oh, fuel, of course. thanks!

 

but regarding the 250, since BRC is 000 in this example I don't think it has to do with the carrier course. it looks like 405 itself has a heading of 250, but then why does it say that mother's 250? I get really confused with their lingo

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Mother's 250 should be the current radial they are on. The 250 radial means you would be flying 250° FROM the boat with a centered needle. Inbound would be the reciprocal which is 070°. Keep in mind that unlike a ground based navaid the ship can turn so that 250 radial is only 250° when mother is steaming on a heading of 000°. If BRC is 010° the 250 radial would be 260° outbound.
No, makes no sense, radial are always given as a bearing from mag North. Whatever is the ship course

 

How could the pilot know what is the current ship BRC if the ship is turning? There is no aircraft instruments capable of giving this information

 

 

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Watch a video or look at a chart. The part I got wrong is the radials are calculated from Final Bearing and not BRC. Watch Wags or Jabbers videos. The 180 radial is the extended runway centerline. Think about if the boat is steaming south and you get the 250 radial. With your logic that puts you in front of the boat off the starboard side. How would you conduct an approach from there?

 

No. lucky-hendrix is correct. Radials are always given from mag north whatever the ship's course.

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Nice chart Kola!

 

Just a few things from the other comments: Marshal can be entered tangentially from any direction. Launching aircraft do stay at 500' until 7nm, but it is generally smart to stay away from the bow of the ship when coming back towards the stack at launch time.

 

Marshal won't give you an altitude during Case 1 because there are squadron assigned altitudes for the stack. 2 fighter squadrons at 2K, 2 fighter squadrons at 3K, Growlers/Prowlers at 4K, the mighty Hawkeye at 5K, and the Tanker at 6K. CODs will generally hold at 1.2K if they are in that recovery, but if they are arriving late to the party, they will be put up with the Hawkeye. If there are 2 flights at the same altitude, they will simply hold cross-circle from either other. If 4 flights are at the same altitude, they will all hold 90 degrees off from each other.

 

There are no set holding speeds, but I believe 250 is pretty common for the hornets. Everything is done visually, too. You know when to collapse the stack (come down to the next lower altitude) by simply looking outside and judging when the aircraft below you have vacated their altitude.

 

The spin pattern is flown within 3 miles at 1200' and spin traffic has priority for the "initial" although generally, they are just flown to a shorter initial (1nm aft for example).

 

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Great answer MoneyTrail - thanks

 

Am I correct in stating that Red Crown (based on accompanying CG/DD) is effectively the "nightclub bouncer" with a list of who's entitled to enter & leave the Air Defence Zone around the CV. His "list" is the ATO (Air Tasking Order) but he provides NO ATC service. c/s MARSHALL provides the ATC function within the CV CCZ (Carrier Control Zone) with STRIKE just being a working freq that sorts out the other admin?

 

It would be great if DCS allowed the Bot DD/FF escorts to shoot at any aircraft approaching the carrier not wearing the correct IFF code......mind you, I struggle to get all the other switches made correctly for recovery, so adding yet another complication would so overload my simple brain :)

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