Donut Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Not at this time. Our primary WWII Warbirds focus is on improving the current stable. Also, locating needed performance data on the P-47 has been a nightmare. When we have new information on the P-47, it will be posted. Thanks Thank you for the update! I look forward to the improvements for the current lineup and think it's a great idea that you guys are doing that. Is there any particular reason that ED is committed to the P-47? If the P-47 is proving to be difficult to gather information on, why wouldn't ED move on to the development of another WWII aircraft with readily available data? i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 P-47 has been a part of backers program dating back to original Kickstarter campaign, and ED tries to complete the program anyway. They also have most of external model and cockpit ready (judging from previously posted WIP shots). I suppose then, a hefty amount of money and time has been invested into this plane already and dropping it completely now wouldn't be a great idea, unless they get stuck in a real dead end with required data. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Not at this time. Our primary WWII Warbirds focus is on improving the current stable. Also, locating needed performance data on the P-47 has been a nightmare. When we have new information on the P-47, it will be posted. Thanks Although the WWII birds we currently have are great already what areas of improvement are we talking? The only outstanding item I can recall being upgraded is the damage model. I look forward to whatever you improve on the current stable. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Although the WWII birds we currently have are great already what areas of improvement are we talking? The only outstanding item I can recall being upgraded is the damage model. I look forward to whatever you improve on the current stable. Off the top of my head from what ED have said/shown: New general DM Improved engine events/damage. (They've already added BF109 sound/exhaust effects when incurring damage when running max ata w/o MW50 + Spitfire actually spitting fire when overprimed etc..). IIRC there's plans for visual oil and coolant leaks. More toys: Spitfire is getting bombs soon, BF109 will maybe get cannons etc... P-51D remodel/redesign to an earlier ETO version, rather than the current v.late war PTO we have now Me262 in the pipeline Edited December 12, 2017 by Buzzles 2 Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Off the top of my head from what ED have said/shown: New general DM Improved engine events/damage. (They've already added BF109 sound/exhaust effects when incurring damage when running max ata w/o MW50 + Spitfire actually spitting fire when overprimed etc..). IIRC there's plans for visual oil and coolant leaks. More toys: Spitfire is getting bombs soon, BF109 will maybe get cannons etc... P-51D remodel/redesign to an earlier ETO version, rather than the current v.late war PTO we have now Me262 in the pipeline Very good info Buzzles!! :thumbup: Rep inbound! Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Not at this time. Our primary WWII Warbirds focus is on improving the current stable. Also, locating needed performance data on the P-47 has been a nightmare. When we have new information on the P-47, it will be posted. Thanks I wish someone had these docs here in Brazil since the Air force used P-47Ds. SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipe Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Is there any particular reason that ED is committed to the P-47? If the P-47 is proving to be difficult to gather information on, why wouldn't ED move on to the development of another WWII aircraft with readily available data? Just that it's the" best" warbird of that era period. i7 4770k @ 4.5, asus z-87 pro, strix GTX 980ti directcu3oc, 32gb Kingston hyperX 2133, philips 40" 4k monitor, hotas cougar\warthog, track ir 5, Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Is there any particular reason that ED is committed to the P-47? If the P-47 is proving to be difficult to gather information on, why wouldn't ED move on to the development of another WWII aircraft with readily available data? Kickstarter. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Thank you for the update! I look forward to the improvements for the current lineup and think it's a great idea that you guys are doing that. Is there any particular reason that ED is committed to the P-47? If the P-47 is proving to be difficult to gather information on, why wouldn't ED move on to the development of another WWII aircraft with readily available data? The old Kickstarter WW2 Some pledges was archived, and actually only mising the P-47 and the Me262 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 All I want is the P-47. I'll leave DCS if it doesn't come. Another sim I fly is coming out with the P-47. I don't hear them complaining about not finding the needed info. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 All I want is the P-47. I'll leave DCS if it doesn't come. Another sim I fly is coming out with the P-47. I don't hear them complaining about not finding the needed info. Then I would question the modeling quality if that is the case. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Then I would question the modeling quality if that is the case. Maybe, but nobody complains about the planes we're flying now. Other than the normal whiners. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 13, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 13, 2017 All I want is the P-47. I'll leave DCS if it doesn't come. Another sim I fly is coming out with the P-47. I don't hear them complaining about not finding the needed info. They don't use the same data ED does, they could do a SFM for the P-47, but ED wouldn't be happy with it, and it is one of the reasons ED is popular, that it prides itself in the most realistic FM's out there. Just recently that other sim added an updated FM, it added some things we have seen in DCS for years, but they are still behind on fidelity. None of this is a knock to any other sim, those other sims are fun and have their place, ED has chosen to go for a certain bar, and right now are not willing to lower it. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 13, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 13, 2017 Thank you for the update! I look forward to the improvements for the current lineup and think it's a great idea that you guys are doing that. Is there any particular reason that ED is committed to the P-47? If the P-47 is proving to be difficult to gather information on, why wouldn't ED move on to the development of another WWII aircraft with readily available data? ED is still committed to the P-47, it doesn't mean other planes cant be done in and around the P-47 if the data isn't coming in fast enough. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 They don't use the same data ED does, they could do a SFM for the P-47, but ED wouldn't be happy with it, and it is one of the reasons ED is popular, that it prides itself in the most realistic FM's out there. Just recently that other sim added an updated FM, it added some things we have seen in DCS for years, but they are still behind on fidelity. None of this is a knock to any other sim, those other sims are fun and have their place, ED has chosen to go for a certain bar, and right now are not willing to lower it. I understand that and appreciate it. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here. However, we're talking about years in delaying the P-47. That's kind of hard to accept. I also have to point out if ED got everything perfect there would never be a need for any plane updates. Is that the case? The F/A-18 will be released incomplete. Why can't the P-47 get the same thing? release it with the best info you have now with the understanding that it will be updated later. Some members don't like that, but others will buy an early release. In the end we all get the same plane. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 13, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 13, 2017 I understand that and appreciate it. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here. However, we're talking about years in delaying the P-47. That's kind of hard to accept. I also have to point out if ED got everything perfect there would never be a need for any plane updates. Is that the case? The F/A-18 will be released incomplete. Why can't the P-47 get the same thing? release it with the best info you have now with the understanding that it will be updated later. Some members don't like that, but others will buy an early release. In the end we all get the same plane. While the Hornet wont release complete, it's not because they are missing information, rather it's that the amount of work going into all the systems is so huge they thought better than waiting till it was complete. I dont always understand everything about what ED needs for a module, but at this point they dont have enough to release it, even Early Access. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I understand that and appreciate it. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here. However, we're talking about years in delaying the P-47. That's kind of hard to accept. I also have to point out if ED got everything perfect there would never be a need for any plane updates. Is that the case? The F/A-18 will be released incomplete. Why can't the P-47 get the same thing? release it with the best info you have now with the understanding that it will be updated later. Some members don't like that, but others will buy an early release. In the end we all get the same plane. It's more than likely BECAUSE Eagle Dynamics takes the trouble to do things as accurately as possible from reliable and accurate data that you came to DCS World in the first place. It is unfortunate that the P-47 has some holes in the necessary date right now, but that's life. Fundamentally, they're still plugging away at it. I can safely say that in the entire history of DCS World, no one has ever complained that a module was released before the client base was ready for it. When you demand the levels of accuracy that ED aspire to, second best won't cut it. They'd sooner not release a product than release one that was based on pure conjecture - which says a lot about what is deemed acceptable elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 It's more than likely BECAUSE Eagle Dynamics takes the trouble to do things as accurately as possible from reliable and accurate data that you came to DCS World in the first place. It is unfortunate that the P-47 has some holes in the necessary date right now, but that's life. Fundamentally, they're still plugging away at it. I can safely say that in the entire history of DCS World, no one has ever complained that a module was released before the client base was ready for it. When you demand the levels of accuracy that ED aspire to, second best won't cut it. They'd sooner not release a product than release one that was based on pure conjecture - which says a lot about what is deemed acceptable elsewhere. Yes, but i'm 75 and can't wait forever. ;) 1 Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Yes, but i'm 75 and can't wait forever. ;) right in the feels. 1 http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 ... ED has chosen to go for a certain bar ...YESSSS, lets go all to the bar :beer: . S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dioxin Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Yes, but i'm 75 and can't wait forever. ;) You give me hope - I'm "only" 52 but I feel like my time in sims (and worst of all, VR) is very limited. Mind you, with my situation I doubt I will even reach your age, so I suppose I don't need to worry about it :D Kneeboard Guides Rig: Asus B650-GAMING PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; SN-1 Pedals; VR = Pico 4 over VD Wireless + Index; Point Control v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 While I am not unhappy about the delay, I do have to wonder why they started work on an aircraft without a source for the necessary information needed to complete it. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 While I am not unhappy about the delay, I do have to wonder why they started work on an aircraft without a source for the necessary information needed to complete it. If I am understanding your question my guess is they are trying to honor the kickstarter deliverable. Without really knowing along the way they would hit a few snags in necessary information. Maybe I am not fully understanding you Cich. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 13, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 13, 2017 While I am not unhappy about the delay, I do have to wonder why they started work on an aircraft without a source for the necessary information needed to complete it. Finding the needed documents is part of the work, other things can be going on at the same time, such as sound collection, 3D modelling, etc... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigg Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I know it's frustrating guys, I am poking the hive to see if I can get any new info, I will see what I can do. Thanks fella :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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