[Doum76]

Originally Posted by JAR VFA-113 STINGERS

We do spins all the time in VFA-113. When the flight ahead of has a couple bolters lead just climbs to 1200 and cranks it. It’s a fun challenge but you try to time it so you are re-entering the break just as the last guy is catching a wire.
Staying close and tight you can watch the missed approach guys in the pattern and have a better shot at a good interval.
It’s a fun thing to do and gives you a front row seat to the recoveries.

I was trying to find spinning and holding pattern speed to adjsut my thing, becauset, my thrill is not just the pattern (launch, get 600 ft, get in downwind and trop), when i do Carrier training, i love taking off from the Cats, do my 20ish AoB for 20 deg, then back to carrier's bearing, below 500 ft until 2.5 nm (7 nm is way too long training, i'm too impatient to land and when online on public servers, 2.5 nm is enough to leave space to others in the pattern or breaking) i then turn 350 kts up to 1,200 to mimick spinning and end up 5 nm downind, then start my descent when ship is 30 deg passed me and manage to end up at 800 ft at 3 nm behind the ship and going in for the break around 0.2-0.3 nm offset fromt he ship's portside, trap rinse and repeat, sometimes i do the alternates, climb to 2,000 ft at 250 kts and mimick descent from the Pattern. Not sure if i do it properly, but i do from the info i found, so this chart is awesome for me. The combination of all stages and getting where you want to be when you want it, when you get to achieve it, is so cool, even though i do not succed all the time and might not do it properly. But i'm training to be steady in my turn, speed, boring training for many, but i just love it.

[hansangb]

Originally Posted by Doum76

Thanks, that was the two evasive info i couldn't put my hands on. So i ended up doing 350 kts for the spin as it's the speed we are going when in for the break, and 250 kts for the pattern as you don't wanna turn too fast i presume. But ended up going 350 kts as well cuz i was getting too impatient to do my break lol

As Lex Talionis mentioned in his video, there are no set speeds. It's unit SOP or lead dependent.


@Kola360,

What is that chart in? Photoshop? Visio? If it's an editable format, would you mind uploading it in native format?

[NevSmith]

Ah, I can see in your Sources, that you've implemented Lex's Carrier Case 1 presentation....very good !!!

I've done a simple formula for myself (hand written), but your approach is extraordinaire, appreciate it a lot


Thank you so much for sharing this with us; you've saved me a lot of time




All the best.

[Kola360]

Just finished version 5, this one should be more accurate and easier to understand.


Ive also created a decluttered version here.

[tifafan]

How to enter the stack?
It has to be in the two specified routines?


What does spin pattern mean?
2 past bow.I don't get it.


Also What does Strike mean?

Thank you

[Kola360]

Originally Posted by tifafan

How to enter the stack?
It has to be in the two specified routines?


What does spin pattern mean?
2 past bow.I don't get it.


Also What does Strike mean?

Thank you

AFAIK Stack can be joined from any direction, but in the way in which the arrows show. (Imagine putting arrows all along the entire circle)

Spin pattern is the pink circle and is only flown in case of a full pattern, I.e if two planes are in front of the ship and heading for the abeam the pattern is full.

I have not found a clear definition for Strike, but i would guess Strike helps Red Crown with protecting airspace and doing IFF Checks.

[tifafan]

Originally Posted by Kola360

AFAIK Stack can be joined from any direction, but in the way in which the arrows show. (Imagine putting arrows all along the entire circle)

Spin pattern is the pink circle and is only flown in case of a full pattern, I.e if two planes are in front of the ship and heading for the abeam the pattern is full.

I have not found a clear definition for Strike, but i would guess Strike helps Red Crown with protecting airspace and doing IFF Checks.

So when the pattern is not full,the planes in spin pattern have higher priority to heading to initial?
Then they descend to 800 and meet position 1 at 800 feet?

[Kola360]

yes, however the spin does not go to initial it goes directly to the break and into the pattern. Position 1 is in the stack and at 2000 ft minimum, while spin is at 1200 ft and inital - break is at 800 ft.

[Jabbers_]

Originally Posted by tifafan

How to enter the stack?
It has to be in the two specified routines?

Stack entry can be from 1,3,4 positions, but not 2 cause it would require you to cross the bow of the ship where planes are possibly launching into. So typically you want to enter at 1,3,4

[Doum76]

Thanks for the updated chart man!