Donut Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 With the Tomcat nearing release and the announcement of the Intruder, I have been dreaming of all of the possibilities with a Hornet, Tomcat, and Intruder flight deck. However, our version of the Hornet is from the mid-2,000's. With realism in mind, I would like to closely replicate the weapons and systems each would have used when operating together. Is it even possible to make our current Hornet's capabilities more inline with how it would have operated when it did fly along with both the Tomcat and Intruder in let's say the early to mid 90's? i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelotunit Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Use your imagination, don't use AIM-120 or AIM-9X or smart weapons and you've got yourself a 90s Hornet. Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenovia Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 This ^ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHSStarKiller Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Well technically all those weapons were being used starting 97 and even earlier than that. So using a 9X, or any 1760 capable weapon or even an A120 that needed a newer version launcher is still within realism. ASUS ROG Strix Helios Case - ASUS AM4 ROG Strix X-570E MB - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 64 GB DDR4 3200 G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series - ASUS DualGeForce GTX 1070 - SSD 2x 1TB - HDD 10 TB - Windows 10 Home - Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS - Thrustmaster TPR Pedels - TrackIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 The AIM-120 along with the AN/APG-73 was introduced with Lot 16 in 1993, so no need for ditching the AMRAAM(at least not the -B) for an early to mid 90's scenario. In fact the DCS version is essentially a 90's Hornet(Lot 20 from 1998 ) - no legacy Hornets were produced after the 90's. The features of the DCS Hornet, that would be most incompatible with a mid 90's scenario, are post production upgrades such as the AMPCD, JHMCS, ATFLIR and armament such as later versions of the AIM-120, AIM-9X etc. For the armament it would be a simple case of not using the newest(since the older stuff is available and the DCS Hornet version is compatible with it). The biggest issue in this regard would probably be with the ATFLIR, since the earlier Nitehawk pod isn't available. The cockpit layout is not that different to that of a 1990 Lot 12(first Night Attack version) and virtually identical to that of a 1996 Lot 18 - except for post production upgrades; AMPCD and JHMCS controls, so if you can blank those out of your attention(and not use the JHMCS) a mid 90's scenario is quite doable in a fairly realistic way. An 80's scenario would be an entirely different matter though :) JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 There are plenty of CAWs in mid 90´s where F-14B, F-18C and A-6E where deployed at the same time in the same Carrier. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 Thanks for the replies. It sounds like for the most part, we can make our Hornet fit into earlier time periods except for the JHMCS. The cockpit and pilot helmet are currently modeled for it...which is a shame because it’s not even functioning yet. A lot more flexibility seems possible if we had a Hornet option without the JHMCS. i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyman Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Or just have a scenario where some of the older aircraft are still flying alongside the newer F-18. Maybe put it down to funding cuts ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 "A lot more flexibility seems possible if we had a Hornet option without the JHMCS." Agree it really needs to be an option set at server level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonJosh Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 "A lot more flexibility seems possible if we had a Hornet option without the JHMCS." Agree it really needs to be an option set at server level. +1 on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeroamer Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Or you could just use the Hornet as is once we get the F-14D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) Link 16. Is also something an early or mid 90s hornet wouldnt have . As well as considering the cm system ale67 is essentially newer and fully integrated into the digital system , allowing access of cm programs via ddi directly in the ew page as compared to the ale47 which had a full analog panel for managing its cm programs, a feature of earlier lot horents. And thus not fitting for early to mid 90s scenario. Edited September 4, 2018 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Link 16. Is also something an early or mid 90s hornet wouldnt have Not sure about that - AFAIK Link-16(earlier also known as TADIL-J)was introduced to tactical fighters exactly in the early to mid 90'ies. I don't know how that relates to the Hornet though. But then the datalink subject is truly confusing with a myriad of acronyms for different exchange protocols and there is apparently also differences between US and NATO terminology as to what "Link 16" constitutes. As well as considering the cm system ale67 is essentially newer and fully integrated into the digital system , allowing access of cm programs via ddi directly in the ew page as compared to the ale47 which had a full analog panel for managing its cm programs, a feature of earlier lot horents. And thus not fitting for early to mid 90s scenario. Really don't know what you are on about here. The F-18 was "born" with the ALE-39(the one with the "analogue panel"). From Lot 18 and up, it was replaced by the ALE-47, which is the new integrated CM system. Lot 18 was introduced in FY96 - which starts 1 October 1995. Edited September 5, 2018 by Alfa JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinK Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 ...if we had a Hornet option without the JHMCS. +1 :thumbup: "Landing on the ship during the daytime is like sex, it's either good or it's great. Landing on the ship at night is like a trip to the dentist, you may get away with no pain, but you just don't feel comfortable" — LCDR Thomas Quinn, USN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Not sure about that - AFAIK Link-16(earlier also known as TADIL-J)was introduced to tactical fighters exactly in the early to mid 90'ies. I don't know how that relates to the Hornet though. But then the datalink subject is truly confusing with a myriad of acronyms for different exchange protocols and there is apparently also differences between US and NATO terminology as to what "Link 16" constitutes. Really don't know what you are on about here. The F-18 was "born" with the ALE-39(the one with the "analogue panel"). From Lot 18 and up, it was replaced by the ALE-47, which is the new integrated CM system. Lot 18 was introduced in FY96 - which starts 1 October 1995. i really dont know what you are on about as it takes time for new airplanes to circulate to new units before they are actuallty put into service, let alone deploy overseas on a combat mission. production date /=/ service date. I dont know why you bring up lot 18 when we have a Lot 20 production hornet with post production 2000s upgrades. Simply put there are features you cant get rid of that wouldn't be available in a 90s Hornet. So you can only ever imagine to have a 90s Hornet experience. Also Link 16 isn't really fully integrated into tactical fighters and proper Operational capacity until about the early 2000s. the Early to mid 90s period they are still predominatly on COmmand and Control and/or AWACS aircraft. http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/DataLinkProcessingAndManagement/Documents/Understanding_Voice+Data_Link_Networking.pdf Edited September 16, 2018 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockcop Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Would also like an option to toggle the helmet sight as because when we get F14, and Intruder, I really want to do a Gulf War 1 proxy with 1991 period weapons. On the blue side, player controlled F18, 15, 14, Huey, Gazelle, Mirage 2000, Harrier and A10 are all period accurate. Less hardware on the red side but you still have 21, 29 and MI 8. Modules- F15, F18, Spitfire, Mirage F1, Persian Gulf, Normandy 2.0, Syria, WW2 assets. "Try to have the same number of landings as you have takeoffs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Would also like an option to toggle the helmet sight as because when we get F14, and Intruder, I really want to do a Gulf War 1 proxy with 1991 period weapons. On the blue side, player controlled F18, 15, 14, Huey, Gazelle, Mirage 2000, Harrier and A10 are all period accurate. Less hardware on the red side but you still have 21, 29 and MI 8. Harrier isnt really era appropriate either, as that is also a 2000s variant with AMPCD displays and Litening 2 Pod. A10 fits gulf war but only if looking at FC3 A10A, its the closest. but if you examine 3d cockpit model that already is an A10A+ with EGI. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockcop Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) For the Harrier, would have to treat the LITENING pod like era inappropriate weapons and just not load it. Nothing you can do about the cockpit screens sadly. Can’t have every aircraft, every era :( lol Edited September 17, 2018 by Jockcop Typo Modules- F15, F18, Spitfire, Mirage F1, Persian Gulf, Normandy 2.0, Syria, WW2 assets. "Try to have the same number of landings as you have takeoffs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 i really dont know what you are on about as it takes time for new airplanes to circulate to new units before they are actuallty put into service, let alone deploy overseas on a combat mission. production date /=/ service date. In regards to Link-16; I didn't say that current incarnation of the system was available on Hornets in the 90'ies - merely that some form of it was around then and although, as you said, predominately installed on command & control assets, it was tested on tactical fighters - but again I don't know if that involved Hornets. I dont know why you bring up lot 18 when we have a Lot 20 production hornet with post production 2000s upgrades. I brought it up because the ALE-47 system(the one on the DCS Hornet) isn't a post-production upgrade like the AMPCD or JHMCS - it was implemented with Lot 18 in 1995 and thus permissable for a "mid 90'ies" scenario. Simply put there are features you cant get rid of that wouldn't be available in a 90s Hornet. So you can only ever imagine to have a 90s Hornet experience. No one contested that - it was a question of how much of the armament/built-in features not to use/pretend aren't there. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheckGear Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just an idea, one that's probably not feasible - it'd be nice if DCS utilized databases the same way the old Harpoon games and its most recent iteration, Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations does. Basically, you load a database and only certain platforms and specific variants available during that time period are available for use in a scenario. It's likely too much to ask to actually develop earlier variants of the F/A-18, but maybe there's a way to "disable" certain features to simulate what was actually available during a certain timeframe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Also for the russian helmet mounted sight ( FC ). Why? JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The russian fc3 pilot has a advantage with the shchel-3um hms. Yes but the subject of the OP was about the possibility of using the DCS Hornet in a realistic way for an early- to mid 90'ies scenario. The F-18, MiG-29 and Su-27 were all introduced to service around 1984 - the Russian jets had HMS from day one, while the Hornet only got JHMCS as a backfit around 2005. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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