Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

+1 ApoNOOB.

This thread should be moderated a bit more. Pages of stick measuring and whining are bad taste for such great round 8.

Thanks for your patience BIGNEWY :)

REDFOR asking for unlimited lives just for today :D We really need it we are to surivieve the first BLUFOR wave setting in motion in couple of hours :D

(Also we are super drunk stay out of REDFOR TS if under age 18years)

Whenever I feel good at DCS I just need to play in this server to remind me that I need more training. You guys are tough....

Gam Zeh Ya'avor - King Salomon

How often usually between Flags lads? I came in too late for this one by the time I got set up. Looking forward to the next one!

How often usually between Flags lads? I came in too late for this one by the time I got set up. Looking forward to the next one!

Very different, we had everything between a few hours and multiple months between one BlueFlag and the next.

Where do I start with comments regarding the 8th round!

Never experienced a massive unbalance of players' numbers before like in this round. I love being on the outnumbered/underdog side where it's simply more fun and challenging, but if it's 3:1 or sometimes even 4:1 then it's just not fun any more. Despite all that we (the red team) did manage to hold just as many FARPs and bases for the most part of the campaign. Even captured the south pushing the blues all the way back to Batumi! For that great compliment, red boys! But then the blue players launched massive attacks (I remember checking out the buddyspike website 4-5 days ago when we were frustratingly outnumbered. give or take 43:2 for some hours). So basically no chance for the reds to close it down. I don't know how to "fix" this unbalance issue which isn't really an issue you could fix in the first place. We don't wanna force players to fly this or that just to have some balance...

The blue team won?! Really?! As I said before we did hold the west, the north and parts of the "middle" areas for the most part plus pushing the blues all the way back to the coast! So how is it that we lost?! Because they've been advancing for only the last 2 days?! Hmmm... Yeah well, they won, we won, it ain't much of a big deal here it's just caught my attention reading comments written by blue players celebrating their independence or something. It's a wonder to me it took you so damn long actually but hey! Hug and kiss each other all you want for all I care :)

The thing with the Mirage, as some of you might have noticed, simply pissed me OFF! What an easy prey that plane is and I've never had any troubles dogfighting it or defeating it's missiles, but with that last "update/bug" it simply put on some godly mode or something. A huge plus for the blue fighters in my opinion. The Su-33 was never included because it's not a PFM?! Kidding me?! As if the F-15 ot the Mirage were!!! No matter how hard and at whatever speeds you pull G's and even incredible negative G's these planes wont crack. Now for the children here amongst us spare me any comments like "the F-15 is unbreakable!", or "Russian planes are ****!), etc. Both the Flanker and the Eagle are great planes but they have their limits. ED has been focusing on only trimming down the Flanker from alomst everything and if you've been around here for long you'd know that. Either you do both at the same time or just leave it. But it's ED we're talking about so a little wonder...

Round 9:

I hope to see smarter ground units. Not just sitting ducks waiting to be destroyed. Give them orders to move around if attacked.

Cheers!

Where do I start with comments regarding the 8th round!

 

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Agree.

This is one of reasons that we don`t play to much in this round.

Second one is that i can`t connect on server to help redfor when they are out numbered. Believe me, from 100 connection attempts only few is successful - i don`t know why that happens only on BF server. Connection timed out mainly without reason (on every other server, for ex. almost full 104th i join every time without problems. For 373 server and BF mission i noted that DCS just stop loading things at once while in the background i hear the sound of the wind and wait thinking this time I will succeed but ... connection timed out :mad:

What to do if i want to play - simple i go on 104th every time.

Why you guys always bring up flanker special wing flex? GGTharos got robbed of precious lifetime explaining to you that the way the system works is not perfect but within the numbers. F-15 just doesn't have enough authority on control surfaces as it is NOT a relaxed negetive stability concept.

The thing with the Mirage, as some of you might have noticed, simply pissed me OFF! What an easy prey that plane is and I've never had any troubles dogfighting it or defeating it's missiles, but with that last "update/bug" it simply put on some godly mode or something. A huge plus for the blue fighters in my opinion. The Su-33 was never included because it's not a PFM?! Kidding me?! As if the F-15 ot the Mirage were!!! No matter how hard and at whatever speeds you pull G's and even incredible negative G's these planes wont crack. Now for the children here amongst us spare me any comments like "the F-15 is unbreakable!", or "Russian planes are ****!), etc. Both the Flanker and the Eagle are great planes but they have their limits. ED has been focusing on only trimming down the Flanker from alomst everything and if you've been around here for long you'd know that. Either you do both at the same time or just leave it. But it's ED we're talking about so a little wonder...

 

Round 9:

I hope to see smarter ground units. Not just sitting ducks waiting to be destroyed. Give them orders to move around if attacked.

 

Cheers!

I have done extensive analysis about the complaints regarding the mirage FM and the patch red was complaining about fixed fm bugs and didnt create any to my knowledge and nobody has pointed out yet where it is buggy. A delta wing with vortex generators will be able to pull higher AOA and thus instant turn all day long over more conventional wing types, but it will loose a metric ton of energy. If you are out of energy, you are as dead in the water as you could be.

But If flankers try to turn away from you at 500-600kph, that is simply like running into a TWS AIM120 and say "omg muh RWR didnt say stuff". Aka not very smart since you know that advantage of the enemy equipment.

What indeed is an advantage for the mirage which should not be there, and I really think that is giving redfor the feeling of the mirage beeing god mode right now is the fact that it doesnt loose lock. Missiles get still spoofed by chaff, but the pilot allways know where the last STTed plane is. Apart from some weird occurances where it looses lock for no apparent reason. That is a huge SA advantage if you can see what people are doing behind mountains and while notching you.

I mean take reaper as an example, its not the KA50 that is some super god mode vehicle, Its reapers SA that is killing people.

Same with the mirage atm. Also the mirage has relative weak engine you just have to harness that to your advantage. And as seen before the turning ability realistically also kills you if you bleed your energy for worthless maneuvers.

For the blue planes not breaking. It should never with FBW working. Tell me why it should.

The FBW simply limits inputs based on load factor, done, no breaking planes.

F15 has never broken because of G in real life afaik and there has been records of extremely high g loads. For the Flanker I do only know that later versions had a g limiter to prevent the wing snapping from happening.

The mirage is also easily breakable above 300kts if you set FBW to a fixed parameter set, for the case your FBW computer decides not to work anymore.

And honestly for negative G in the mirage, the FBW limits you so hardcore that you dont even get anything near red out. :D So I do not know what you are talking about in that regard.

And the eagle also struggles, you quite often get complete hydraulic failures due to small arms fire. Same league of problems. :D

Oh and for the guy who posted an ai mirage missing its vertical stabilizer and saying omg mirage op dm. Thats really only AI, the EFM does what it should, you will loose lateral stability, start to one side, and you cant do shit about it, if you pass the critical slip angle, your plane just violently tips over and you fall to the ground like the unstable leaf you are. Ask the guy who shot me down over FK93 yesterday.

And for defeating the missiles, ask the guy who defeated all 4 missiles I fired at him at while doing a banter run on maykop. You can also see in that track that he gained speed way faster of the runway than the mirage does, both obviously combat loaded.

For the STT SA advantage, yep thats unfair. And I unlock the target as soon as I should do, you get terrible HUD and VTB flickering if your lock would be dead. That is what I call sportsmanship.

Ask your kamov pilots engaging stuff at night with the shkval about that thing, was a lil disapointed by people using the nvg + tv way of engaging targets at night. There would have been a correct way to do it, called ilumination rockets.

So yeah, I am really getting annoyed with people putting random "fm is broken" without presenting something obviously broken or providing knowledge which reveals bugs in the mirage FM.

Razbam will be for sure happy to fix bugs. THEY DID EVEN WORK ON FBW FIXED GAIN to make it more realistic, since they are really dedicated to make it as close to real as possible.

But that random accusation of the mirage beeing OP FM wise and broken, is just a sign of not doing ones analysis and just judging from what one saw during combat. And that is just, I mean honestly.

The amount of tigers the russian faced in kursk according to soldiers was in the thousands, all together only ~600 were build overall. And honest I think thats what happening here.

If not, present a tacview or track that showcases your claim fm had some god mode FM, and you are not just getting beaten by SA provided by a buggy radar to the enemy pilot.

I would love moving units too btw. But afaik server performance doesnt allow for that.

REDFOR asking for unlimited lives just for today :D We really need it we are to surivieve the first BLUFOR wave setting in motion in couple of hours :D

 

(Also we are super drunk stay out of REDFOR TS if under age 18years)

And some fighters are even better when completely drunk :megalol:

Reaper's dirty jokes are the best BTW :D

Microvax you do like to write uh? :lol:

See you guys in next round, also the blue horde! :thumbup:

Big thanks to Buddyspike team, thanks Greg for your patience and dedication!

This round was the most stable I've participated in, very few warpings and crashes, it's just getting better and better.

The Flanker's G limit applies to a fully loaded Flanker with maximum fuel. As any other specifications regarding any plane unless you do a research for more details. I did! In fact studdying and focusing on things like; moment of inertia, bending moment and materials engineering was part of my BA certificate. Let's just please not start a damn too long debate with you and me comparing knowledge like some smart asses. Quoting Hugh Harkins or some russian books I've read you'd be amazed by the capabalities of the Flanker! Actually, even in DCS! When I'm down to 2-3 missiles and only 2k of fuel I can pull pretty damn hard without breaking anything. So I'm aware of all these specifications.

The Mirage's radar is the actual issue. As to it's missiles, I still don't know what changed but something has for sure. The easiest missiles to defeat in DCS so far were those of the Mirage. At least to me. Never had any concerns regarding that plane. At any aspect I defeat its missiles. BUT that thing has changed too. Not my style of flying but the missiels' behaviour. If you fly the Flanker you'd know the R-73 for example is not as good as it used to be. Wasted! The last weeks simply brought some strange issues to the modules we have rather than actually update them properly.

The F-15 is simply not behaving as a plane should when using the FBW system. We know what the FBW does to a plane. That feauter is simply not included! If the F-15 is able to turn harder while flying fast as hell than the Flanker while the latter is at a perfect combat speed of 580-700 kph then the FBW is simply not moduled and as such it's not a PFM.

As to my dear friend Reaper6, he's been around ever since DCS BS-1 came out. He's been practicing air combats for years. He's an exception!!! The children you have among the blue players who call him a cheater are just... well... children :)

And some fighters are even better when completely drunk :megalol:

Reaper's dirty jokes are the best BTW :D

 

Microvax you do like to write uh? :lol:

 

See you guys in next round, also the blue horde! :thumbup:

Big thanks to Buddyspike team, thanks Greg for your patience and dedication!

This round was the most stable I've participated in, very few warpings and crashes, it's just getting better and better.

Bluefor intel unit aka microvax has already gathered information about the quality of reapers dirty jokes and we are knowing about that capability of redfor. ;)

Yes I do like to formulate. :D Both in written and spoken words, dunno if you were there when I was on red TS between the rounds. :D Maybee you will get a dose of micro on your team next round who knows.

What irks me is that these days so many people have an excuse or complaint when they get shotdown, the respect is disappearing and being replaced with something I can't describe here.

+1

JD

AKA_MattE

The Flanker's G limit applies to a fully loaded Flanker with maximum fuel. As any other specifications regarding any plane unless you do a research for more details. I did! In fact studdying and focusing on things like; moment of inertia, bending moment and materials engineering was part of my BA certificate. Let's just please not start a damn too long debate with you and me comparing knowledge like some smart asses. Quoting Hugh Harkins or some russian books I've read you'd be amazed by the capabalities of the Flanker! Actually, even in DCS! When I'm down to 2-3 missiles and only 2k of fuel I can pull pretty damn hard without breaking anything. So I'm aware of all these specifications.

 

The Mirage's radar is the actual issue. As to it's missiles, I still don't know what changed but something has for sure. The easiest missiles to defeat in DCS so far were those of the Mirage. At least to me. Never had any concerns regarding that plane. At any aspect I defeat its missiles. BUT that thing has changed too. Not my style of flying but the missiels' behaviour. If you fly the Flanker you'd know the R-73 for example is not as good as it used to be. Wasted! The last weeks simply brought some strange issues to the modules we have rather than actually update them properly.

 

The F-15 is simply not behaving as a plane should when using the FBW system. We know what the FBW does to a plane. That feauter is simply not included! If the F-15 is able to turn harder while flying fast as hell than the Flanker while the latter is at a perfect combat speed of 580-700 kph then the FBW is simply not moduled and as such it's not a PFM.

 

As to my dear friend Reaper6, he's been around ever since DCS BS-1 came out. He's been practicing air combats for years. He's an exception!!! The children you have among the blue players who call him a cheater are just... well... children :)

As said no flanker, nor f15 specialist. I have no problem believing the su27 underperforms, neither do I that the eagle does. But I dunno if the eagle even has a FBW, only later versions got it, dunno what we have in game. Just was speaking about mirage FBW which to my knowledge does what it should if you configure it as you should. :D And if you dont you run into troubles. :D

Yeah, the super530s got a lot better due to some loss of STT lock issues getting resolved.

[And that super radar getting created but as said, 530s dont guide for sh*** when the STT lock should fail.] You still loose lock at high roll rates, but that is beeing worked on as well.

Apart from that only changes in the DCS engine could have lead to that. Considering that all IR missiles performed a bit funky dunno, doesnt seem to be that far fetched. So dunno.

I cant really comment how good they are compared to other stuff in DCS, as I havent flown su27 or f15 in combat and only got something like 10-15 player kills in muh mirage, but have flown it for loads of very low alt high speed ground strike, but they seem far from OP. [And I love playing the look down shoot down game with flankers trying to hide in valleys. ))) No hiding from a radar looking at you from 45k ft. :D]

4 mile shot traveling at mach 1.02 with a closure rate of something like 800kt at basically sea level at an flanker moving at 400-500kph missing doesnt seem OP to me at least. :D

But Bluefor pilots say they track a little better then the aim7s, so yeah could be that they are indeed a lil better. AFAIK IASGATG did some analysis and flight performance wise they reach top speed a little faster but bleed it also a little faster, but are overall very comparable to aim7/r27r, but obviously are better within a shorter range since the higher average speed.

If you want we can do some test flights together after next fridays patch and can evaluate a bit.

But overall yeah they got to my knowledge legitimately better by the radar stopping to loose lock in some conditions where it shouldnt and the only issue of redfor pilots perceiving mirage as god mode is really the uber SA you get with the unbreakable STT.

Yeah I know, I just brought reaper up as an example to underline uber SA of permanent STT is getting people killed by mirages, not some kind of new missile performances. :))

Thank you to Blue Flag team!

I once read somewhere that you created blue flag to give us an online environment for all the DCS modules. This round I flew the huey, Gazelle, A10,F5,M2 and F15 online. Mission Accomplished! Simple Radio was also a neat experience this round. Thanks for all your time and effort putting this together.

Awesome work!!

Thank you to Blue Flag team!

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Awesome work!!

+ 1

Tonight is super fun experience. Got overwhelmed by blue fighters. It feels like they all over place, several times got IR on my face and butt but who cares...it's fun. :D

Cheers

Gam Zeh Ya'avor - King Salomon

Thank you to Blue Flag team!

 

I once read somewhere that you created blue flag to give us an online environment for all the DCS modules. This round I flew the huey, Gazelle, A10,F5,M2 and F15 online. Mission Accomplished! Simple Radio was also a neat experience this round. Thanks for all your time and effort putting this together.

 

Awesome work!!

I have to agree, blueflag is really great in terms of giving every module a purpose.

Even the trainer memez :megalol:

Cant wait to click the Viggen slots and scramble towards whatevar colour oppfor airfields will be at that point relative to me. :D

Just an blueflag Community Idea, how about we do a big formation flight for the last hour or something ?

All in one TS channel etc. Would be great I think. Who is up for it ? :))

Red and blue together would be enjoyable after all the hostility. :))

I have to agree, blueflag is really great in terms of giving every module a purpose.

 

Even the trainer memez :megalol:

 

Cant wait to click the Viggen slots and scramble towards whatevar colour oppfor airfields will be at that point relative to me. :D

Viggen will be amazing and I hope it will be available for both sides :)

Just an blueflag Community Idea, how about we do a big formation flight for the last hour or something ?

 

All in one TS channel etc. Would be great I think. Who is up for it ? :))

 

Red and blue together would be enjoyable after all the hostility. :))

That would be great ;)

Greg

I suggest more like an elephant walk instead. Formation flying might be difficult at best. And trigger happy at worst! :D

Just an blueflag Community Idea, how about we do a big formation flight for the last hour or something ?

 

All in one TS channel etc. Would be great I think. Who is up for it ? :))

 

Red and blue together would be enjoyable after all the hostility. :))

Just my own preference, I rather see real pros doing formation flight than casual players who barely manage to hold a right echelon resulting as a glorious mess. It would be nice if the Virtual Blue Angels would offer us a show to celebrate the end of the round. Of course there are other very talented teams out here who are entirely devoted to formation flying and who are most likely very close to the real aerobatic teams in some cases. In the end, I guess I'm too much into the Olympics celebration at this time. :megalol: