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Old 04-22-2017, 08:04 PM   #111
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The Finals will be starting shortly, the Twich address is

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Old 04-22-2017, 09:48 PM   #112
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SF that was some awesome action right there !

Maybe I love creative tactics to much, but that really was amazing to watch.
Congratz on the win !

104th, well, its nearly redundant to mention you guys and very good bvr performance in the same statement, but obviously well fought !
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Old 04-22-2017, 10:45 PM   #113
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WOW WHAT A FINAL,

Firstly thank you to all teams that took part and especially to The 104th and the SF Squadron.


The First Round (BVR) the 104th Took the Win over the SF Squad, Using the Exceptional skills we all respect.

The Second Round saw some excellent Engagements giving the SF Squadron the Win to Tie the Match

The Final Round was one unlike any other, the SF Squadron used training and tactics to the max, They didn't take any Missiles !!!!!

THATS right they only flew with Guns only

The Tactics were impressive and saw them take the Win

104th Phoenix 1 - SF Squadron 2

Here is the Link the the Twitch, if you missed it i highly recommend you watch the reply:

https://www.twitch.tv/chillywillies

The Tacviews are here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezmzrfi3c...K_pM7OBra?dl=0



A MASSIVE THANK YOU GUYS and we look forward to seeing you guys at the next one.
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:42 AM   #114
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Some great action congrats to SF but I can't help thinking the bizarre format took away what could have been an even greater spectacle. Having a BVR, guns and heater rounds I expected to see some different fighter team tactics for each round but apart from the first round it was a race to gun the ground units.

To have a fighter championship decided by who can destroy static units the quickest takes away that pvp aspect of tactical fighting and introduced more of a gamey race tactic. To shoot down all of the opposing fighters but end up the loser in a fighter championship seems strange especially considering the mission was won after the first merge, great job by SF but maybe naming it fighter championship is a bit misleading.

Ultimately though another great event for all to enjoy, congrats to the hosts and admins, I hope to see more great events in the future.
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Old 04-23-2017, 01:40 PM   #115
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Thanks for the organizers and participants for an entertaining tournament. I'd also like to give thanks to Sykloni, Oberst Zeisig, Sweeper and FinnMack who helped us with practice. 104th put up a good fight and we are looking forward to meeting them again and hopefully beat them also in BVR.

I think the drag race format was a nice change of pace but I agree that it gets old pretty quick as the novelty wears off. F-15 is also so much superior in a fighter jet drag race that it's unfair to every other plane. With some tweaking of the mission the BVR and SRM rounds would probably work well but in guns only round just concentrating on the ground units is going to be always a tough tactic to beat as if you just keep your speed up (at least in the F-15) it's relatively easy to just fly around the battlefield and do drive by shooting on the ground targets to get at least 2-3 targets before someone gets close enough to bring you down.

Tournament tactics are always going to be off from "real world" tactics as the closest real world scenario would be one involving WMDs that are fortunately extremely rare. Basically pilots mission would be to accomplish the mission regardless of the risks or costs incurred (ie. kamikaze if necessary would not be a bad move) as alternative would be many times worse (not necessarily only for you but for the people you are protecting).

The tactic in the third round (heaters) was selected simply because missiles and especially wing pylons that they are attached to create enough drag that not equipping them gives you enough lead to take out the ground targets with relative safety as long as you don't screw up the first strafing pass (which we did). The only way to get to the target fast enough to intercept is to not take the wing pylons which means no missiles either so the round reverts to guns only in which the best tactic is to engage ground targets only. All of this implies that you can get to the target area in fastest time possible or you are taking a huge gamble. Fortunately we had some science to help us out to find a flight profile that would provide the absolutely fastest flight to the target that others would be able to only match at best and hence confidence to try it out.
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Old 04-23-2017, 03:38 PM   #116
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We forgot to mention that both groups of ground units were actually armored presidential corteges that were heading for the same summit before war suddenly broke out between the two countries so jets had to scramble in an attempt to both protect own president and attack enemy's convoy

Jokes aside, this was a fun event to watch, very high paced! I'm personnaly happy with this new setup, it brought something new to the table and put pilots' skills to a tough test so hats off to all contestants and congratulations to SF, you guys really demonstrated what thinking out of the box really means!
It also shows that you practiced and planned your fight according to victory conditions.

Thanks to my partners, the 59th Ravens who did a great job at organizing and hosting the competition.

Kudos to Chillywillies for stepping up to the plate as our live streamer.
I'd also like to thank Panda for the great commentary that he provided in the Finale, we hope to have you in the commentary box again at the next one.

Round 2 will probably bring some adjustments to the ruleset for even more exciting, white knuckle fights and we hope to see you all at the party again.

I'll start working on the AAR soon, I think the 104th will still dominate the A2A department while SF will surely get the lions share A2G wise, stay tuned!
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Old 04-23-2017, 08:34 PM   #117
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Some great action congrats to SF but I can't help thinking the bizarre format took away what could have been an even greater spectacle. Having a BVR, guns and heater rounds I expected to see some different fighter team tactics for each round but apart from the first round it was a race to gun the ground units.

To have a fighter championship decided by who can destroy static units the quickest takes away that pvp aspect of tactical fighting and introduced more of a gamey race tactic. To shoot down all of the opposing fighters but end up the loser in a fighter championship seems strange especially considering the mission was won after the first merge, great job by SF but maybe naming it fighter championship is a bit misleading.

Ultimately though another great event for all to enjoy, congrats to the hosts and admins, I hope to see more great events in the future.
I thought the same thing at first. But, I think it ultimately threw a wrench into a lot of people's set plans and was a factor that helped facilitate an urgency to at least occupy the target area. It was a little abnormal, but I think the Ravens did a great job implementing something different.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:00 AM   #118
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We forgot to mention that both groups of ground units were actually armored presidential corteges that were heading for the same summit before war suddenly broke out between the two countries so jets had to scramble in an attempt to both protect own president and attack enemy's convoy

Jokes aside, this was a fun event to watch, very high paced! I'm personnaly happy with this new setup, it brought something new to the table and put pilots' skills to a tough test so hats off to all contestants and congratulations to SF, you guys really demonstrated what thinking out of the box really means!
It also shows that you practiced and planned your fight according to victory conditions.

Thanks to my partners, the 59th Ravens who did a great job at organizing and hosting the competition.

Kudos to Chillywillies for stepping up to the plate as our live streamer.
I'd also like to thank Panda for the great commentary that he provided in the Finale, we hope to have you in the commentary box again at the next one.

Round 2 will probably bring some adjustments to the ruleset for even more exciting, white knuckle fights and we hope to see you all at the party again.

I'll start working on the AAR soon, I think the 104th will still dominate the A2A department while SF will surely get the lions share A2G wise, stay tuned!
Thank you! It was a good experience for me and I'm glad to be part of events that bring the DCS community closer together. We really enjoyed hosting the event.
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I'm just realizing now that I started working on the AAR how close the final round of the finale was! I mean it could of gone either way when Kapsu, sole survivor from SF with one 104th ground target left at that moment, was chased by 3 Eagles! He escaped two Sidewinders and a rain of tracers before lighting up the last ground target...what a finish! This is snatching victory from the jaws of defeat..maybe one more tracer and he could of been unable to engage the last ground unit... It's crazy how a very small detail could make the difference between winning and losing at this level!
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Old 04-25-2017, 02:45 PM   #120
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I'm just realizing now that I started working on the AAR how close the final round of the finale was! I mean it could of gone either way when Kapsu, sole survivor from SF with one 104th ground target left at that moment, was chased by 3 Eagles! He escaped two Sidewinders and a rain of tracers before lighting up the last ground target...what a finish! This is snatching victory from the jaws of defeat..maybe one more tracer and he could of been unable to engage the last ground unit... It's crazy how a very small detail could make the difference between winning and losing at this level!
I blame my wrist.
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