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Morbid curiosity - I am not challenging, because I have no indepth knowledge to even pretend to challenge with... How did this happen with the A-10C and the Ka-50.. both are still operating; F-14D is done and gone yet still classified? How can that be? Are ground pounding aircraft less classified than fighters or something?

 

Well, I presume that the F-14, even when being out of service, shares quite a few systems with other fighters still in the active fleet.

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I don't know what that sunrise flag is meaning. but if they want to develop A6M that...

I means A6M will fight with pony, dora, lighting or K4 in DCS, these warbird have more powerful engine and gun, also have the armored seat, that's the most important equipment for the warbird, but A6M does't have it. LOL

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Maybe it's just a background, in order to tell us next one is the bird which beat the jap in the past. In that way, it must be F4U or F6F.

 

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Well, I presume that the F-14, even when being out of service, shares quite a few systems with other fighters still in the active fleet.

Right, but that alone is flawed reasoning. The A-10C has a lot in common with itself and it's still in service. I also thought a lot was known about certain blocks of F-16's as well. If the Navy is more protective than the airforce or fighter tech is more protected than ground smashing tech it'd be rational. It seems like something else is relevant besides just systems being still in use. But I was in the miltary and I know rational thinking is a rare breed, so maybe it's just what it is.

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Right, but that alone is flawed reasoning. The A-10C has a lot in common with itself and it's still in service. I also thought a lot was known about certain blocks of F-16's as well. If the Navy is more protective than the airforce or fighter tech is more protected than ground smashing tech. It seems like something else is relevant besides just systems being still in use.

 

You cant generalize like that. These things work on a case by case basis. Just because ED created the DCS: A10C (which by the way is missing some classified systems) this fact in and of itself is not relevant to any other module currently in production (or on the drawing board).

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hopping for a D model is not realistic , its too complex

 

 

Why? Who are you to say what is too hard or too easy for another company to design?

 

What makes it any more harder than the glass cockpit system of the F/A-18C Hornet being built? Or the F/A-18E Super Hornet? Or even the A-10C Warthog with it's glass cockpit and systems?

 

I am pretty sure modeling the old MiG-21 Radar system is no "easier" than doing it for an F-14.

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You cant generalize like that. These things work on a case by case basis. Just because ED created the DCS: A10C (which by the way is missing some classified systems) this fact in and of itself is not relevant to any other module currently in production (or on the drawing board).

Here we go. Patently _not_ generalizing, I asked what is so special about any of the systems in an F-14D that's out of service compared to say an A-10C that is in service. If you don't know just say, "I don't know". If it's the radar say, "radar". Otherwise YOU are the one generalizing by saying it uses some systems in service and can't be reasonably simulated.

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I wonder what is behind that Japanese flag...

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I'd Say that Behind the kamikaze flag is a Mitsubishi Zero... And on the other side, of course, the F4U....

 

And I really hope that those two come out... I need something that fits my taste, as I see no point on buying the Tomcat (if it gets released)...

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I'd Say that Behind the kamikaze flag is a Mitsubishi Zero... And on the other side, of course, the F4U....

 

And I really hope that those two come out... I need something that fits my taste, as I see no point on buying the Tomcat (if it gets released)...

 

I wholeheartedly agree with the Corsair and Zero... That would make my day for sure!

 

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I think he would prefer the B over the A. One other thing to consider, the D would have avionics which would have a great deal in common with the latest naval fighters still in use and as such would be classified. No one is going to waste time making planes with too many incomplete systems, so the F14 will most probably be the A or B variant.

 

On the mark. Of course I would prefer the D as a penultimate Tomcat, but disclosure or not, it definitely sounds too complex to start with, so it obviously won't be the chosen variant. So, between A and B, I'd choose B. Preferably with the Bombcat update :)


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So, between A and B, I'd choose B. Preferably with the Bombcat update :)

+1. The bombcat avionics are key for making it multi-role, and also giving it some nice work with the F/A-18C. The flip side is that as awesome as the Tomcat is, it doesn't have AMRAAM capability (it's ARH missile is the Phoenix), so unless it has strike capability it's strength is in intercepting bombers.

 

When I was active, we would have Tomcats (B model) buddy lase for Hornets. It worked well because the Tomcat pilot could work on piloting and scanning for threats, the RIO could keep the laser on target, and the single seat hornets could drop GBUs and get out of the threat envelope without much fuss. Duplicating this in DCS would be awesome.

 

EDIT: one more thing. I know a Tomcat RIO who flew the A, B and D models. He actually preferred the B over the D because the D avionics added weight which made the performance suffer a bit. Not quite like the Su-25T, but the concept is not unfamiliar.


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+1. The bombcat avionics are key for making it multi-role, and also giving it some nice work with the F/A-18C. The flip side is that as awesome as the Tomcat is, it doesn't have AMRAAM capability (it's ARH missile is the Phoenix), so unless it has strike capability it's strength is in intercepting bombers.

 

When I was active, we would have Tomcats (B model) buddy lase for Hornets. It worked well because the Tomcat pilot could work on piloting and scanning for threats, the RIO could keep the laser on target, and the single seat hornets could drop GBUs and get out of the threat envelope without much fuss. Duplicating this in DCS would be awesome.

 

EDIT: one more thing. I know a Tomcat RIO who flew the A, B and D models. He actually preferred the B over the D because the D avionics added weight which made the performance suffer a bit. Not quite like the Su-25T, but the concept is not unfamiliar.

 

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i would more than welcome a delta version

 

i don't know why so many people are so down - almost to the point of protest - on the prospect of a good modern fighter

 

if the devs have the documentation to do it, and they think they can.. more power to'em!

 

but let THEM decide that - we end-users shouldn't proactively be indicating we want "less" of an end-product

 

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Well, I presume that the F-14, even when being out of service, shares quite a few systems with other fighters still in the active fleet.

 

And I would presume the F-18C that we are getting would share some commonality with fighters still in the active fleet too... mainly cause it is in active service with several countries including the U.S. and some commonality with the active E/F/G Hornets.

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Am I the only one who thinks an F-14a would be equally good as a B or D.

You would have to fly the aeroplane and the throttles with finesse, and watch your yaw rate. Simulated compressor stalls and flat spins could be incorporated and it would add a further complexity to carrier landings. I'd love a B or a D for it's own reasons but I would still be jumping for joy for an F-14a.

 

You are not alone, I would prefer the A as well. Mostly for historical reasons, because the F-14A was the backbone of the USN fleet defence. I don't care about the latest and greatest stuff, I'd rather fly aircraft which were historically the most significant. And of course the F-14A is the type for these fantastic old high-viz colors :)

 

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Am I the only one who thinks an F-14a would be equally good as a B or D.

You would have to fly the aeroplane and the throttles with finesse, and watch your yaw rate. Simulated compressor stalls and flat spins could be incorporated and it would add a further complexity to carrier landings. I'd love a B or a D for it's own reasons but I would still be jumping for joy for an F-14a.

 

In my opinion, multi-role capability outweighs any compressor stalls and flat spins. If I want a plane with those kinds of problems, I can go fly the Su-27. :lol:

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The F-14a had the ability to carry LTS and drop LGB's as well as carry TARPS.

 

I would call that multi-role.


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The F-14a had the ability to carry LTS and drop LGB's as well as carry TARPS.

 

I would call that multi-role.

 

That was only with the Bombcat update in the early 90s. So it's not an 'F-14A' per se.

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That was only with the Bombcat update in the early 90s. So it's not an 'F-14A' per se.

 

Yeah the basis of my point was if LN develop an F-14a it does not eliminate the possibility of conducting ground

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Bombcat is F-14B, no? I think part of the confusion is the F-14B was originally designated F-14A+, and renamed F-14B later. So my take is F-14A < F-14A+ and F-14A+ == F-14B. Or maybe I'm confused. I've just been reading up on the variants recently since everyone is guessing at which we might get so I could easily be confused. It also sounds like many units never saw the F-14D because of politics. And differences in F-14B and D do not seem as extreme as A to B (and particulalry bombcat which sounds like it may have been an upgrade to the B even after the B designation..., but maybe not, not finding very clear info...)


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