Arctander Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Aft antenna option. That it? You’ve got to be kidding me. I hope to god the following OB has a metric (redacted) Ton of Hornet updates and nada for the F16 as you’re ‘focusing’ on the Hornet right? I await to be drowned in new features for the Hornet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctander Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4100296&postcount=29 @nineline : still confident for the end of the month ? I’m gonna guess ‘no’. Disappointed, but absolutely not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Jockey Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I agree with you AND I'll add (because Eagle Dynamics already answered) : Those who want to give money to support ED : (I guess you already have all modules) 1) Buy a module 2) Open a thread "module giveaway" write in it "first to post here I'll give the name to ED and transfer this module". 3) That's it ! (do that as often as you are comfortable with !) Absolutely agree. I believe I've read about it the first time in the Tomcat threads if I recall correctly. Hangar FC3 | F-14A/B | F-16C | F/A-18C | MiG-21bis | Mirage 2000C ... ... JA 37 | Kfir | MiG-23 | Mirage IIIE Mi-8 MTV2 system i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwflowersii Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 Yes and no, maybe....since ED has said that they kept the Hornet team working on the Viper to meet their minimum requirements for a Steam release (which promised TWS). If they can't release TWS, then the team doesn't move back over to the Hornet which was the whole purpose of moving them in the first place. So you're looking at delaying the Hornet's development further by delaying TWS in the Viper, effectively kicking yourself in the junk. At this point, it's lose/lose for the Hornet until December/January. Also, the TWS is a feature that has severe game impact as well in Multiplayer. Now we have AIM-54s and AIM120Cs that makes it very hard to compete. Sure we have SA, but it doesn't matter if you can't get close enough to fire a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwflowersii Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 Absolutely agree. I believe I've read about it the first time in the Tomcat threads if I recall correctly. I bought a module that is still not finished and they released another module after the one I purchased. It is reasonable to expect completion within a certain time while other aircraft that are newer get features we've been waiting for. That's just not good business ED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctander Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Also, the TWS is a feature that has severe game impact as well in Multiplayer. Now we have AIM-54s and AIM120Cs that makes it very hard to compete. Sure we have SA, but it doesn't matter if you can't get close enough to fire a weapon. Oh yeah, Blueflag Pg is gonna be fun as a Hornet pilot for the next few weeks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 15, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 15, 2019 If focus is shifting back to the Hornet, does this mean F16 devs will work on the hornet? Or just that work will resume back to normal on the Hornet? It isn’t clear The borrowed team members will move back to the Hornet. The F-16 developments won't stop. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 15, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 15, 2019 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4100296&postcount=29 @nineline : still confident for the end of the month ? I think it's possible, though if sticking to the normal release schedule, the next Open Beta will be Dec 4th. So based on that, it's probably the earliest point we could see it. Again, not set in stone, not a promise. It just depends on how all the pieces fall together. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 15, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 15, 2019 NineLine, I appreciate the comment, however, how do you expect people who purchased a product two years ago to feel when features that have been missing get added to another product. It may make sense from an engineering standpoint to a degree, but for people waiting patiently it seems to leave a different message. I'm sure you can understand the frustration when many items are still left incomplete. I'm sorry, but two years is a long time for an early access standpoint. Appearances matter when making business decisions as well. Again, all these decisions are not made lightly, they are to best use and focus our team as well as continue support for existing products as well as new ones, and of course, maintain the core. Nothing I will probably say will make it better in anyone's minds, I can also say this goes on all the time, the Viper/Hornet just highlighted as to how popular they are. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 15, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 15, 2019 I'm no business genius but if they can't put out new modules while they keep finishing the ones that are already out, ED will run out of cash, finishing the F18 and F16 will take years! We need to keep in mind that it's business and the only way they can gives us a EA and solely work on that plane until it's finish is if they change their business into a subscription base one. Do you one a yearly subscription of DCS World ?? I DON'T! Now I do realize that releasing TWS first on F16 will upset people who bought the F18 years ago and still does not have this feature. ED you could have holded the release of TWS and instead doing it at the same time in both F16 and F18, you guys would had avoid an angry mob.. Sure, we could hold lots of things back, and maybe some would feel better, it wouldn't be honest. We have things ready, we want to get them in the publics' hands when they are ready. Open Beta testing is an important test, and issues found with the Vipers TWS implementation could very well help the Hornet as well. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I have no complaints. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diditopgun Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) I think i speak for most of your customers when i say: you have not lost our trust. You increased the quality and speed of your updates/releases each year. Just keep up the good work. :megalol: Hi ! Speak for yourself. In my world (outside the ED forums fan's club) a lot of people think the opposite... Edited November 15, 2019 by diditopgun [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel I7 8700K / RTX 3080 / 32Go DDR4 PC21300 G.Skill Ripjaws V / MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon / Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold - 1000W / Noctua NH-D14 / Acer XB270HUDbmiprz 27" G-synch 144Hz / SSD Samsung 860EVO 250Go + 1To / Cooler Master HAF X / Warthog+VPC WarBRD / Thrustmaster TPR / Track-IR v5 + Track Clip Pro / Windows 11 64bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 :megalol: Hi ! Speak for yourself. In my world (outside the ED forums fan's club) lot of people think the opposite... Speak for yourself. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacy Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I say thank you to ED who is doing everything possible not to give them my dollars. "F18 not finished, not a dollar for the F16" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I have no complaints. I do. Heck, I complain even when I'm happy:glare: I think I need to step away from computers and VR and focus on my other RL activities before I get too old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razgriz33 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I say thank you to ED who is doing everything possible not to give them my dollars. "F18 not finished, not a dollar for the F16" Hear hear, We'd be stupid to throw money at the problem because the lucky few are able to, open and close of it is, spent the money on the promise that F18 would be the focus, the promise has been broken, no more money on anything else until that's rectified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneDust Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 As stated in the newsletter, the focus is shifting back to the Hornet after this next OB. The focus should have never left the Hornet, which we were clearly told it would not; it certainly has as well as other items such as netcode. I informed my guys after another disappointing flight last night that I'm done flying until the game improves. I am sick and tired of having to restart our servers every few hours. I owe ED nothing and as a customer I have every right to be mad; as do the many other folks who are talking but not posting. Our wing has gone from 11 very active pilots to 5 for scheduled flights due to the disappointment with ED, and from 5 nightly flyers to none. You broke the trust with us whether you want to acknowledge it or not and it will take some work to earn that trust again. Promoting new weather, carrier and whatever else you have in the pipeline doesn't make guys like me happy when the core of the sim needs work. There's no point having a fancy carrier or new missile when the sim has become such a disappoint for those who fly nightly. I think the ED has potential to repair the damage caused. I was so optimistic about ED I left BMS as a dev and returned to flying online after a 5 year absence. Don't let me and others down. Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | G2 Rverb VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 While not as dramatically. I agree with the OP. ED has to release modules to make money. But EA and prepurchase discounts are a credit card and not sustainable. Maybe they can charge for 3.0 or go to a subscription model then but I doubt it. Anyway I know ED has to make money. Charge what you need to. But you guys have to see how unhappy everyone was when razbam did this and now ED proper? I don't know the answer but I know I didn't get what I expected with the viper and work on the hornet has slowed down. I do plan to adjust my purchases accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I'm pumped for the updates all around, Hornet AND Viper. Should be a fun and interesting couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strikeeagle345 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 A lot of crying in here and on hoggit (shocker)... you'll all survive and will get over it. Keep up the hard work gents. Your increased transparency and communication has done wonders for you as an organization, despite all the entitlement in this thread and others. Looking forward to the up and coming Hornet and Viper updates. Strike USLANTCOM.com i7-9700K OC 5GHz| MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON | 32GB DDR4 3200 | GTX 3090 | Samsung SSD | HP Reverb G2 | VIRPIL Alpha | VIRPIL Blackhawk | HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 15, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 15, 2019 The focus should have never left the Hornet, which we were clearly told it would not; it certainly has as well as other items such as netcode. I informed my guys after another disappointing flight last night that I'm done flying until the game improves. I am sick and tired of having to restart our servers every few hours. I owe ED nothing and as a customer I have every right to be mad; as do the many other folks who are talking but not posting. Our wing has gone from 11 very active pilots to 5 for scheduled flights due to the disappointment with ED, and from 5 nightly flyers to none. You broke the trust with us whether you want to acknowledge it or not and it will take some work to earn that trust again. Promoting new weather, carrier and whatever else you have in the pipeline doesn't make guys like me happy when the core of the sim needs work. There's no point having a fancy carrier or new missile when the sim has become such a disappoint for those who fly nightly. I think the ED has potential to repair the damage caused. I was so optimistic about ED I left BMS as a dev and returned to flying online after a 5 year absence. Don't let me and others down. While I understand being upset, I am not sure about the trust issues, we have tried to be very clear and open with what we are doing, as soon as we knew we had to redirect some manpower, we let everyone know, and we decided that the radar guy was going to stay a little longer, we let everyone know. The server issues you are having, have you made a bug report with logs and such, I can take a look. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBird Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It's really disappointing to see whats happened with the Viper and consequently the Hornet. I can't say that I've lost faith in ED, business is business, teams and priorities shift from project to project. I get that. You can clearly see how much the development of Hornet systems has slowed down looking at the Mini Updates. I miss those, maybe the soothing voice of Matt Wagner would calm us all down. I feel like ED was in an absolute panic as they came upon the release of the Viper based on how incomplete it is - and still is - resulting in their decision to shift developers. I will commend ED here in how vocal they have been with us, it takes guts to make these announcements and keep us as updated as they do, whether that's something positive such as an upcoming "Aft Pod Antenna Option" (cool) or news that they know will cause a fuss. I'll continue to support Eagle Dynamics and purchase modules that I am interested in such as Super Carrier and any new maps, but I think that we in the Hornet community could really use a gesture of good faith from the devs and something to get excited about. F-14 | F/A-18C | F-16C | AJS-37 | M-2000C | A-10C | UH-1H | F-5E | P-51 | Bf 109 Nevada | Persian Gulf | Normandy | Supercarrier YouTube | Steam | Discord: JayBird#4400 i7-7700K | GTX 980 | 32gb RAM | 500gb SSD | 2TB HDD| Track IR | TM Warthog HOTAS | Logitech Pro Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctander Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I think it’s a perfect storm. Promising one thing in response to concern. Doing the opposite Admitting to it after the fact Not saying sorry Then releasing a bare bones, obviously rushed and inadequate Viper Releasing capabilities in the viper people have been asking for on the hornet for over a year. I just don’t think you’re going to persuade the majority of people who feel burnt by EDs recent decisions and EA practices with words. You need to demonstrate continuing improvements to the module people are upset about. Razbam showed the way with the harrier and mirage and promising ‘no new modules till we’ve completed these’. If we keep hearing words but not seeing tangible improvements to what is on our SDDs, you’re not going to persuade anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanab Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 :megalol: Hi ! Speak for yourself. In my world (outside the ED forums fan's club) a lot of people think the opposite... Agree with you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctander Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Every OB without a *significant* step forwards on a hornet systems and avionics I think this will only get worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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