Bandit. Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 hello, i recently noticed that wing flex has been added to the su-27. (no its not only the leading edges). pull some high g maneuvers and you will notice it. never saw an announcement for this so im wondering if it was intentional and if it coming for the other plans. btw thank for adding this. its one of those little things that adds a lot of immersion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 There's WingFlex Animations on the F-18 Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit. Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 nice. never noticed it on the 18 since well its not flyable yet. nice work ed looking forward to see further work on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeLKMT Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) There's WingFlex Animations on the F-18 I was checking the 18 yesterday for this and haven't noticed any wingflex. :dunno: I'm gonna try again... Edit. Nope, no flexing even at 7G+ Edited September 10, 2013 by GeorgeLKMT ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The model has the animation arguments, it isn't in game yet. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 ^That's what I meant. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axion Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The '27 has wing flex, really? Got to check this out! Asus Z390 Code XI, i9-9900K, RAM 32 Gig Corsair Vengeance @ 3200, RTX 2080 TI FE, TIR 5, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB, HOTAS WH, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, HTC Vive Pro, Win 10 x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug88 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Also MQ-9: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1859331&postcount=404 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suchacz Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 PeterP made a nice vid of 27's wing flexing Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk0425 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there a reason the F-15 doesn't have any wing flex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Hadn't noticed it before. Looks great! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Nice! ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there a reason the F-15 doesn't have any wing flex? It's a new feature that is phased in. Some slightly older models may not have the animation arguments (yet?). Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Do we have the MQ-9 in DCSW now because I don't see it. See here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1859331&postcount=404 ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk0425 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 It does flex some IRL. It's a very stiff wing in comparison. Also, the F-15 doesn't have wingtip missiles/rails, which on the, Su-27, F/A-18 and F-16 act like a cantilevered weight that exaggerates that flex movement. Yeah, I've seen it a bit on some videos so I wouldn't expect too much in the sim. It's a new feature that is phased in. Some slightly older models may not have the animation arguments (yet?). Alright cool. Thanks for the answers guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchking Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Sobek...it would be cool if the wing...ordinance can actually vibrate due to turbulence...like in the latest BMS versions. But I guess that means a new atmospheric model? Again a job for EDGE? WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 But I guess that means a new atmospheric model? Again a job for EDGE? I don't think that BMS uses any kind of turbulence modeling for this effect. I suspect that they have table data and excite a simple mechanical oscillator for every station to create that behaviour (if it even is an oscillator, i haven't played BMS in too long to remember how it behaves exactly). Sure this could be done, but accurate data is needed (simulating the excitation aerodynamically would be quite hard, i guess). Edge has nothing to do with the underlying models. It is "just" the graphic rendering side of things. Everything else is pure maths crunching in the background. The athmospheric model is being updated continuously. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ells228 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Hmm someone mentioned at the weekend they saw the Hawk wings flex, I'll have to check that more closely as I thought they were mad lol Nice KCCO logo Trev ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 The F-15 wing is just low aspect ratio with a lot of taper, that's why it's stiff. All the force is at the root so you're not generating a moment. The F-18 and Su-27 have high AR wings by comparison and flex more. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk0425 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I watched a lot of F-15 videos last night before posting to make sure I wasn't talking too much smack. Cockpit vids pointed at the pilot with good views of the wings, beating the crap out of the airplanes and I saw very little movement at the tips, almost imperceptible really. Again I think that comes from the wing design, and lack of wingtip stores. The F-15 fuselage is a lifting body and the wing is very large in comparison to the weight of the aircraft overall, resulting in lower load factors. Further, and this is from looking at cutaway views of the wings internal structure, there is a lot going on as far as far as internal bracing. Yeah exactly. From what I saw before I asked that question, wing flex isn't very noticeable, but it is there. As far as it being in the sim, it wouldn't matter too much since like you said, it's almost non existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgibbousx Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 The F-15 has plenty of wing flex in a high g turn and I hope to see it modeled in the future: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchking Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I don't think that BMS uses any kind of turbulence modeling for this effect. I suspect that they have table data and excite a simple mechanical oscillator for every station to create that behaviour (if it even is an oscillator, i haven't played BMS in too long to remember how it behaves exactly). Sure this could be done, but accurate data is needed (simulating the excitation aerodynamically would be quite hard, i guess). Edge has nothing to do with the underlying models. It is "just" the graphic rendering side of things. Everything else is pure maths crunching in the background. The athmospheric model is being updated continuously. You are right...it doesn't seem to be dynamic in BMS..but atleast its there. Its like in the new codemasters F1 games, they managed to add flex and body component vibration as you are driving and the car drives over a curb. It just adds to the immersion. Not critical...would be nice. ;) I meant that if hopefully the graphic engine is now handled by one separate thread like the sound engine, if ED can leverage a complete thread for physics calculations, that would be amazing and they could probably calculate a lot more little features..like precise water wave modelling with weather effects etc... and hopefully in the future, get rid of the SFM for even non-flyables. But I guess all in time eh? WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 But I guess all in time eh? Indeed. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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