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Old 08-01-2020, 05:46 PM   #1021
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Yessssss, ED did it, finally we are in the right forum....and another surprise, the Hind over Latakia video...Oh God I will look this video again and again...
You see Grodlund, never loose the faight, today is party time !!

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Old 08-01-2020, 05:53 PM   #1022
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Oh very nice...Hind is finally Incoming.
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Old 08-01-2020, 07:18 PM   #1023
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Yessssss, ED didi it, finally we are in the right forum....and another surprise, the Hind over Latakia video...Oh God I will look this video again and again...
You see Grodlund, never loose the faight, today is party time !!
I am in full celebration mode!
watching the video over and over again - with a looking glass - trying not too giggle too much
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Old 08-01-2020, 08:41 PM   #1024
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I am in full celebration mode!
watching the video over and over again - with a looking glass - trying not too giggle too much
Same for me !
Enjoy it my friend !

I am already planning a mission editor with the Hind on the Bassal Al-Assad AB.
I really like the region...and the russian home base in Syria...
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Old 08-02-2020, 02:26 AM   #1025
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We will start discussing the Mi-24 more soon.

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Old 08-02-2020, 05:32 PM   #1026
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You could do a simpler AI gunner for pilots to fly. Heck, even the Hind has such.... Just make it smoother talker and react with new options for targeting and reaction and it would be fine to start.

Flying Mi-24 with 30mm cannon is like flying Mi-8 with 23mm cannon pods, you really don't hit much with it. Or take a KA-50 and fix the 30mm cannon and try to hit at something.

You will quickly want to have someone else to do the firing and aiming with stabilization turret and aiming sight, and you just to fly around.

For 90% of targets people will be using missiles and rockets, for 10% it will be like cannon, against targets that can't shoot back and no one is protecting.

And Mi-24P anyways requires AI to launch missiles, as pilot can't do it. It is not different much to aim missiles as it is to aim rotating turret.

12.7mm is effective against anything you would really need to destroy with gun, from infantry, trucks to some APC and even some IFV, and even more against anything that flies. Want more firepower against infantry? You go back to rockets. There is IFV, AAA or MBT? It is missiles then if not rockets by change.

With KA-50 one can use cannon effective because automation and it is a turning, if it would be fixed, many wouldn't care for it.

I don't know anyone who would be with KA-50 like "I fix the gun as it is so much more effective that way"....

I take any day for cannon use the Shkval for longer ranges or HMS for close pop-ups.

And Mi-24P is so underdog compared to KA-50, that someone believing they can do as effective cannon engagements with it are just going to fool themselves until they get to fly it.

The UH-1 was overkill before ED fixed the miniguns effectiveness against armor. But it is 7.62mm https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=254520
And most APC or other vehicles ain't protected fully against 12.7mm.

VP with 23mm is of course more effective, but 12.7mm more versatile.

We could even have a "fake HMS" for gunner, you can not use it to engage others, but you would use it to command AI to look given direction and positions as general (so example AI either scan 45 degree direction or focus to 5 degree spot), so AI would concentrate their scanning in that area to find target. And having a 4-way hat compatible target priority commands, (infantry, AA, armor and transport) you would be able effectively tell AI what to aim and destroy. So you look at direction, command AI look there and give commands to "engage Anti-Air" and it will pick up from group of targets the AA units.

The "spot" would allow AI avoid "can't see" moments, as pilot as human does the spring and AI could right away find the unit there as human did the spotting. So no more "enemy tank, 11'clock, 30 kilometers" calls.

The player wouldn't at any given moment feel any disadvantage compared to P model, as you can be even more effective as AI use aiming to for turret.
It is like AI firing 12.7mm Kord in Mi-8, devastating effect.
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Old 08-02-2020, 05:39 PM   #1027
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I almost exclusively use the 30mm in the KA-50 in fixed bore sight mode.
Very rarely do I use it with the HMS and target tracking.

Everyone has their own opinion of course, and although the 2x23mm chin turret would be cool, I think the fixed 2x30mm cannon is a monster, and it's the one I would want the most.
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:19 PM   #1028
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I noticed that the Hind has western-style ADIs.

Seems like you are right


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Old 08-03-2020, 12:46 PM   #1029
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I almost exclusively use the 30mm in the KA-50 in fixed bore sight mode.
Very rarely do I use it with the HMS and target tracking.

Everyone has their own opinion of course, and although the 2x23mm chin turret would be cool, I think the fixed 2x30mm cannon is a monster, and it's the one I would want the most.
What hardware you use for flying?
  1. Display
  2. SimPit
  3. Display + TrackIR
  4. VR

As when I had TrackIR, it was fixed for anything else than long range engagement. But VR changed all how to operate cannon.
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Old 08-03-2020, 01:36 PM   #1030
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For everybody finding stuff that doesn't look right atm. just to remind you that these things are probably placeholders/WIP! Heck in the DCS:Syria pre-order trailer 2 weeks ago the flying MI-24P had not even an spinning tail rotor.....
Edit: Just for clarification, what i wanted to say, don't tear apart the module yet because of WIP/teaser pics/videos we get to see now, wait with that after the EA release.
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