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Old 10-14-2013, 01:07 AM   #21
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Don't forget the P-47N. That thing had legs, though I'm not sure there were many IJA and IJN aircraft to shoot down at that point.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:25 AM   #22
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One of my favorite P-47 documentaries:

http://youtu.be/tTbMKVuijE8
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:41 PM   #23
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Does anybody have the stats of P-47 air to air kills in the pacific. So far I can see that the P-47 shot down 3752 aircraft in Europe seriously impressive but it was mentioned that the P-47 shot down more aircraft than the Grumman Hellcat which from what I can see was credited with 5223 air to air kills in us navy and RN service and was a formidable fighter. I may be wrong as I can't find the stats of the P-47 in the pacific but I'm going to fight the hellcats corner until proven wrong.
Here's what i have from a french magazine (aero journal to name it). They made a special issue on the jug and the various units / country that flown her (for non french reader, palmares means roughly score, victoire means victory, ETO, PTO, etc are the theater of operation.)

The counting method is not detail (destroyed only ? Probably destroyed too. Ground kills ?) but a least, it can be use as a rule of thumb to weight the various theaters.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:45 AM   #24
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One of my favorite P-47 documentaries:

http://youtu.be/tTbMKVuijE8
That was a good documentary. Thanks!
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:00 AM   #25
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One of my favorite P-47 documentaries:

http://youtu.be/tTbMKVuijE8
Ohhh that's where "50 cal bounce up and kill Tiger Tank" comes from haha awesome (33+ minutes)

Otherswise very nice video, love the P47.
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Ohhh that's where "50 cal bounce up and kill Tiger Tank" comes from haha awesome (33+ minutes)

Otherswise very nice video, love the P47.
Haven't yet watched the documentary, but I recently read Hell Hawks, a kinda lightweight history of some P-47s before and after D-Day. In one interview, a Jug pilot said they attempted to ricochet bullets into the underside of a tank, but it didn't appear to have any effect. He did say they neutralized one Tiger with .50 fire by diving vertically and focusing fire on the engine vents, after which the engine smoked and the tank came to a halt. Once. It was far from common.

On the other hand, the book records several eye-witness accounts of flipping Tigers over by dropping delayed-fuse bombs immediately next to them. The bombs would imbed themselves a few feet underground before exploding, thus directing all the force upward. Imagine a bomb going off effectively underneath the Tiger's treads like a 1000 pound anti-tank mine. It'll lift the tank, sure thing.

So that's where the ridiculous stories of flipping tanks with machine guns come from; a confusion of separate stories like these.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:08 AM   #27
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He did say they neutralized one Tiger with .50 fire by diving vertically and focusing fire on the engine vents, after which the engine smoked and the tank came to a halt.
There was a thread some time ago, where somebody posted a picture of field improvised vent covers for the tanks. Apparently hot pieces of led would fall down the vents and ignite the filters or something like that.

To a 20 something pilot shooting at a tank, it might seem like the ricocheting worked.
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One of the things that stuck with me after watching that documentary was the radar controlled flak guns. I knew radar was a technology coming into its own towards the end of the war.... And I knew about the night fighters being developed with radar.... But I had no idea they had radar controlled flak guns.

I like the pilots description of the radar controlled flak guns at 25:50. How the radar waves would bleed over into the pilot's radio headsets.

I hope they develop this into the game. Instead of "lock on" tones it would be more of a static sound.

I'm reading "Hell Hawks!" Right now. What makes this book even more impressive is reading it after reading "56th Fighter Group."

In "56th Fighter Group" flying a Jug below 15,000 feet was described as almost a death sentence... I started reading "Hell Hawks!" And was astonished. Here these P-47's are, flying low over the hills... far below 15k... When they got jumped by FW-190's! I thought they were done for... But they were able to not only fend them off.. But usually win, and chase off the remaining planes.

I think this has to do with the difference in P-47 models. The 56th FG flew P-47C's early in the war... As it was developed it fixed a lot of its shortcomings.

Thankfully the P-47 in DCS WWII will be the P-47D-28. The "paddle prop" was standard on this model and it's climb rate was vastly improved over the older models.
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Hi, here's a video of a P-47 flight with a commentary from the pilot about flight characteristics. enjoy

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thanks!..very cool aircraft, can't wait
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