D4n Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Since engines cannot be started together in the real aircraft, please remove the line "start both engines - RShift+Home". It confuses new DCS players. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opps Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/planes/flanker_fc/index.php?PAGEN_1=4 >Engines >The powerplant of the Su-27 includes two АЛ-31Ф (AL-31F) engines, each of which has its own >turbine starter ГТДЭ-117 (GTDE-117). Because both engine have a separate starter, both individual and simultaneous starting of both >engines is possible. ED seems to have their information about this. Where does your information come from? Edited March 23, 2018 by opps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Ah ok. Then just for Su-33. The guy in other thread wrote for Su-33 starting procedure is starting engines one by one. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opps Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Official Manual is best source for needed knowledge in DCS. People in the forum is helpful too but often tend to make mistakes. Edited March 23, 2018 by opps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Ok then it is only for Su-27, not Su-33. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opps Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) ARE YOU SERIOUS? https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/planes/flanker_fc/index.php?PAGEN_1=4 >Engines >The powerplant of the Su-27 includes two АЛ-31Ф (AL-31F) engines, each of which has its own >turbine starter ГТДЭ-117 (GTDE-117). Because both engine have a separate starter, both individual and simultaneous starting of both >engines is possible. ED seems to have their information about this. Where does your information come from? Edited March 23, 2018 by opps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 YES I AM SERIOUS, the "start engines" hotkey on Su-33 should then be removed. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opps Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Why should be removed only for Su-33? ED clearly states BOTH Su-27 and Su-33 can start engines simultaneously. Do you think "the guy in other thread" is more reliable than ED? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Ok ok but there STILL is ONE hotkey set in the controls to start BOTH engines which DOES NOT work!! (RShift+home) So all ED has to do is remove that control! DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opps Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) AHH ok ok now I think I understand your claiming. Rshift+Home should start both engine simultaneously but in latest 2.5 it does nothing. Then you claim it should be removed because it is not working. Right? Edited March 23, 2018 by opps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esb77 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Keep in mind that "Standard Operating Procedure" is not the same thing as "everything the plane can do." Planes and pilot training cost a lot of money. A great deal of SOP is designed to prevent the need to prematurely replace or repair. A single engine start is likely to be a bit easier on the electrical system, possibly on some other components as well. So in normal operation, it makes sense to do the startup in the manner that produces the least component wear. However, in cases where you don't particularly care about aircraft longevity, say for example scrambling to intercept incoming attack aircraft that are trying to drop a bomb on you before you take off, then doing things like dual starts make a lot of sense, even if it reduces the mean time to failure of some parts compared to SOP startup. If the start both engines hotkey is not working, and the aircraft is capable of simultaneous engine start, the correct thing for ED to do is to fix the start both command, not to get rid of it. Edit: It may also be part of the "arcade mode" control interface. Even the full fidelity modules like A-10C, and Ka-50 have the Home key startup option. Edited March 23, 2018 by esb77 Callsign "Auger". It could mean to predict the future or a tool for boring large holes. I combine the two by predictably boring large holes in the ground with my plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 NO. ED shouldnt remove RShift+home, they need to make it work. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 23, 2018 ED Team Share Posted March 23, 2018 I have reported it, either remove it or make it work, thanks guys. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Then you claim it should be removed because it is not working. Right? Correct! sorry DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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