[FIXED] Cockpit/Windscreen Bar

What's the issue? I don't see a bar across the gunsight. I can see through it just fine.

I really see no issue Either, its kind of just looking over the nose if the spit also, it gets in the way too,

... the lower to the cowling that the crosshair is, the more it makes it easer to pull lead with a fixed sight, the guns are aimed to the crosshairs, not the pilots line of sight.

:doh::music_whistling:those people who dont see it and have no problem

In spite of it already being reported, people are still being ignorant..

The "Bar" is actually a mere lip. The coaming top actually comes almost to the very top of the Armour glass upper edge. All you see from the pilots perspective is a small lip. No massive bar. Seems to me all the various FS developers are using the same drawings that contain the same mythical alignment of the top forward edge of the Armour glass that is meant to "jut" up into the pilots line of sight. Its BS almost this entire lower forward edge lies below the coaming line... you just cant see it from the pilots view point. There are countless images and videos that show the pilots perspective ... but yet few Sims depict it correctly all slavishly display the Bar... then the inevitable argument about refraction is presented ... makes no difference if the bar is behind metal !!

Hey Ivan,

i don't completely understand what you mean.

You say, that the the missing refraction was not the problem. So you think, that the model is wrong geometrically?

I'm not saying that you are wrong and the model is correct, however i don't understand how there could be no visible bar without refraction.

Let's say the armored glass is 10cm thick, then there is also a metal frame of 10cm. If you can't see the metal frame/bar on real life photos then this is because of refraction, or maybe because the plane in question had the armored glass removed and has therefore a very thin front glass.

Or do you mean that the fuselage has an recess for the frame and therefore the "bar" sits lower in the fuselage? Then however it could still be seen from the cockpit if refraction was not a thing.

The problem with your pictures is that they are photographic and by that are also affected by the refraction, so they prove that the "bar" is not visible for the pilot, but they don't prove that there is no bar at all.

Hope that makes sense...

I was trying to play with textures making transparent the half of outside of the frame. The texture in reddish colour. But the game interpret the transparent as black and I can't try this walkaround. I will try to post pictures here.

I just jumped into the 190. NOW I see what you guys were talking about.

“Bar” isn't nearly the best way to describe it, and will only confuse people. It is the bottom piece of the canopy frame surrounding the armored glass.

I was trying to play with textures making transparent the half of outside of the frame. The texture in reddish colour. But the game interpret the transparent as black and I can't try this walkaround. I will try to post pictures here.

Here is the capture ingame. The yellow colour and black marks was for identification of textures I want modify. I paint in transparent the half but ingame is black because I don't understand the alpha channel and stuff or maybe is black because anticheat reasons. But this represent my idea of solution for the "bar problem". My only concern is the 3d model of nose too high and you can see the motor and not the sky in front of you. A modificaion of 3d model with a lower nose woulf be necessary.

Here is the capture ingame. The yellow colour and black marks was for identification of textures I want modify. I paint in transparent the half but ingame is black because I don't understand the alpha channel and stuff or maybe is black because anticheat reasons. But this represent my idea of solution for the "bar problem". My only concern is the 3d model of nose too high and you can see the motor and not the sky in front of you. A modificaion of 3d model with a lower nose woulf be necessary.

 

This isn't anything too terrible though. Yes, it's annoying, and should be fixed (and will be apparently) but it doesn't impact visibility too bad.

:doh::music_whistling:those people who dont see it and have no problem

Same is true for those who keep this "issue" alive. :thumbup:

The point is find a solution for, in absence of refraction, not to be the collimator with that stuff in middle. With a modification in 3d maybe, a middle point between real geometry and what the eye see. So easy as make the frame of windscreen half thick (yellow paint in my screenshot) and maybe move a little low the nose in the cockpit 3d model.

Do you have a solution for this or our collimator will be ocluded forever?

Sorry for the quality of the edit the image, this way is like the windscreen result with a little modification:

I paint it in green. Maybe moving the cowling low too

Model is as without a glass now and is wrong too. Actualy the model have a texture which apparently we have a glass (or two, an exterior and other interior) there but is wrong because in real world you don't see the frame so thick. At least in the Dora os not as problematic like in A8 but one of them is wrong too. I only talk about a compromise.

Because we have two ways to do this wrong, we can choose the lesser bad and not ocluding the collimator.

Fantasic! The problem is solved! But where is the cowling?

Yo-Yo, no need to be sarcastic. People here are trying to help.

Could you have a look at those two pictures? Don't pay attention to the refraction sight line. I took this from the OP, but i'm not interested in the refraction, but in the model geometry, specifically the armored glass "block":

It looks, as if the Glass frame sits to high over the cowling in the DCS model. I realize that the frame is not rendered. Of course it could be possible that the drawing is wrong. I'm not even sure that it's an Anton in the drawing, but i checked some other pictures of A-models and on those the glass also seems to be lower relative to the hinges.

It's the same if you compare the cockpit view model in DCS to the external modell. In the internal model the block seems to be higher. Is this a modelling error, or is the perspective playing tricks on me? Compare the armored glass block in relation to the hinges...

That's an honest question of mine. I'm sure you have better drawing than i could find on google...

As we all know, every complex problem has a solution which is simple, direct, plausible—and wrong.

Awwww... And because solution B is not perfect and kinda wrong, it's better to stay with solution A which is worse? Perfect way of going forward....

Same is true for those who keep this "issue" alive. :thumbup:

no

Make him come here and explain and clarify for us. Its not like we have his number and can call him anytime right?

The point is find a solution for, in absence of refraction, not to be the collimator with that stuff in middle. With a modification in 3d maybe, a middle point between real geometry and what the eye see. So easy as make the frame of windscreen half thick (yellow paint in my screenshot) and maybe move a little low the nose in the cockpit 3d model.

 

Do you have a solution for this or our collimator will be ocluded forever?

Anyway, the thread stands "reported", so they will be seeking a fix already.

S!

Better is to ask the modeller who have the geometry and can show any view with or without perspective.

No need to prove anything to me. But it would be appreciated, if he could double check the geometry to be sure... And if you guys could come up with a good compromise for the "bar" even better...

[...] If somebody can correct me, but I believe that's not an A-8? [...]

You might very well be right, it's still viable as an example though, as on the A-8 the front canopy with the bulletproof glass seems to be similar. Maybe not exactly identical, but the relation between the hinges and the "block" seem to be the same...

[...] Anyway, the thread stands "reported", so they will be seeking a fix already. [...]

You are right. Let's wait and see...

I also wished there was a solution for this. The forward view through the windscreen looks so horrible with the thick iron bar in front. Does anyone believe Germans would have constructed a plane where the pilot does not see anything?

Can the bar not be made transparent from the inside?